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Can a Country lose it's Identity?

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    Having read an article on the BBC website regarding the French Government pressured to remove the EU flag and return the French national flag at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.......
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    As Europe continues to become multicultural, is it possible for a country to lose it's identity?...... whats your thought's on the subject.
     
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    Careful, the pro EC will be throwing tantrums.
     
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    Well, if flags were the defining thing about a country's identity then these three
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    should be pretty upset about their government always flying this one
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    But since all three of them are pretty proud of their country and not disturbed by the government waving a different flag the conclusion must be that Marie le Pen is an idiot, just like her father.

    As for the multiculturalism, that's a whole different story.
    I think multiculturalism is pretty much dead as a policy, and has been so for at least the last 20 years.
    Countries expect their immigrants to adjust and learn the language. Whether those expectations are mostly met or not depends on whom you ask.
     
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    Like you should not ask a German born and raised in Kreuzberg Berlin if the immigrants have adapted well there. Well, in a way they have. The problem is most them prefer to speak turkish and not german. Actually they don't need to speak german either. In Kreuzberg almost all shops, banks, restaurants etc. are in turkish hands. I guess same situation in many big cities around the world.

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    Huh? :o o: Europe is, and always has been, multicultural. I would say that Europe has become less multicultural in recent times with the EU and a common set of ideals concerning human rights, living standards and workers rights.
     
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    How many Expats living in Philippines speak Tagalog?
    I understand that being a foreigner in a new country, you may have differculty learning the language, but how many do try to intergrate that's the problem.
    EG: Many Filipino's here in UK who are working and speaking English choose not to integrate by socialising solely in their immediate Filipino communities.
    Which it would appear to be the case for most nationalities who tend to live in pockets around the UK.
    Years ago as young man I recall Liverpool had it's Chinese community and its Black communities and there was never a problem, why now are we seeing such disharmony in Europe?

    Perhaps I should of said individual countries within Europe are becoming more multicultural, by the fact that they are experiencing a vast increase of immigrants for whatever reasons that may be.
    Hence O/P topic...." Can a Country lose it's Identity"
     
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    Every country is a country of immigrants if you go back far enough. Culture is always changing even among countries that don't have a lot of immigration (exceptions would be those lost tribes in the jungle or on islands that have been doing their hunter-gatherer thing for thousands of years...but nobody really wants to live like that).

    Immigrants and people of similar ethnicity/culture have always clustered together to some extent. Look at the US: china towns, Iranians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, Koreans Italian, Germans, etc...they all cluster together. It is just human nature for people to seek out people of similar ethnicity/culture/religion/ideology. Even here many of us foreigners gravitate towards establishments that are frequented by other expats of similar background. Do we have a negative impact on the Philippines? I don't think so. I think there is plenty we can learn from Filipinos and there is plenty they can learn from us.

    As long as a country isn't being taken over by a group that is trying to push their beliefs and culture onto others through violence, political pressure, or vigilantism (mainly talking about the more extreme flavors of Islam here) then I think adding foreign cultures to a country is a net positive for most countries and I don't think it results in a country "losing it's identity", it is just an unavoidable natural evolution of culture in a world that becomes smaller and more connected every day and it certainly isn't something to be feared in most cases.

    Every country I have been to may have different cultures and traditions but one thing is always constant; humans are humans and most are good people just trying to make the best of the circumstances they have been dealt. There really isn't that much difference between the average Brit, American, Russian, Emirate, Afghan, Korean, Indian, Chinese, Columbian, etc...we all want the same thing and go about getting those things in very similar ways.
     
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    I agree with all you have said Rye, especially.....
     
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