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  1. PatO

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    Taking a welcome break from Covid news, curious how our friends across the pond are digesting the monarchy news? As an outsider, I am thinking maybe Harry is using this as payback for the way his mother was treated.
     
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    People in the UK are very split on the issue of the monarchy. The majority still favour it, but that is decreasing - perhaps the youth of today will reject it eventually. The heir (Charles) is quite unpopular and so is his wife, Camilla (both are perceived to have hurt the late 'People's Princess' (also Harry's mother, Diana)). The current positivity is very much based on the Queen and when she goes then the institution (also called 'The Firm') may go also - but not immediately. They have a massive PR machine which uses the media (to whom Honours are regularly awarded, of course) to bolster their position. They are often protected from any major criminal investigations by words being said by someone high up in the aristocracy to someone high up in the police (to whom Honours are also awarded!). Charles went to Cambridge University when his school grades were FAR too low - again, words were said. And they say developing countries are the corrupt ones!

    You can see already that I am NOT a Royalist - but I consider Harry and Meghan the best of the bunch. They have (some) integrity - I think they made a good decision to cut free from what is a very dysfunctional family. But, like most of the Royals, they preach what they do not do themselves - especially on the subject of climate change and 'saving the planet'. Charles, the future King, is even worse as he preaches to the people about not using energy and then flies around the World (and even short distances within the UK) in private jets - he spent £400,000 on transport on one trip to the Caribbean. People are becoming more aware of the hypocrisy. One thing I very much dislike is how most people see Charles wearing about 12 medals in public engagements and assume he fought bravely at some time - but all his medals were given to him by his mother! To me, that lessens the value of those who earned them by sacrifice.

    So, to get to your main point my friend: Harry saw what happened to his mother (he was very young at the time but is well aware now of how she was treated by the Royals) and does not want the same for his wife. I admire him for that. But they will never fully break away from being Royals - it is like a snake which wraps itself around them and will never let go. The UK media mostly follows what the Royal Family want and they have severely attacked Meghan (note: they lessen the attacks on THE one who was born Royal and attack the 'intruder') - comments from the public in the right-wing press supports this and Harry is said to be manipulated by 'Markle' (as if he has no brain). This suits the narrative - a Royal family who have given 'years of service' (i.e. they get carted around the World having free holidays and fabulous lunches, each usually own many homes (all being heated, even when they are not there - so much for conserving energy!) and being looked after by a string of servants (the Queen and her husband were reported to be at Windsor Castle (one of their many massive homes) during lockdown "with a very small skeleton staff of only 23"!)

    In my opinion, the Royal family is an anachronism and will eventually disappear - but not in my lifetime. Harry & Meghan made a very sensible decision to get out - the Royals have a history of racism anyway (King Edward 7th was a supporter of Hitler).

    One major reason the Royal family continues is because the Monarch controls the armed forces - were anybody to try to overthrow the aristocracy, the Monarch would be able to order the armed forces to respond. So, the aristocracy feels safe whilst their 'leader' can use arms against the people and can also continue to feed the aristocracy with Honours. The 'Establishment' (the dominant group of the Elite) uses the Royals, the government, the Church, the armed forces, the aristocrats, the media (often owned, of course, by the wealthy elite) and all those who can ensure their survival. To even speak against the Royal family is seen almost as treasonous.

    That is my opinion and I am happy to hear from anyone who believes the Royals serve a purpose - I have tried very hard but cannot see one.
     
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    I thought this was a succinct definition by Hamilton Nolan (These Times, 9 march, in the NYT, or a commie, depending on ur point of view <grin>). IMHO, the monarchy is a irrelevant anachronism:

    << The existence of a monarchy is an admission that a government can’t, or doesn’t care to, solve people’s problems. Instead, it offers spectacle. It has always been easier to elevate one family to a fairy-tale life of luxury than to do the dreary work of elevating every single family to a decent standard of living. The common people fund the lifestyle of a tiny, exalted and thoroughly unworthy elite, rather than the other way around. Any nation that still has a monarchy in 2021 is proving itself to have a mortifying lack of revolutionary gumption.
    America is guilty of many crimes against humanity, but this is one thing we got right. Our presidents may be national embarrassments, but at least Americans are not required to scrape and bow before some utterly random rich wastrel whose claim to legitimacy is being the child of the child of the child of someone who was, centuries ago, the nation’s biggest gangster. Yes, we have our own hypnotic capitalist addiction to celebrity, but monarchy is something altogether more twisted — as if the Bush family, the Kardashians and the Falwells were all rolled into one bejeweled quasi-religious fame cult, topped off with a bracing dose of imperialism.>>

    British media is another story, something you'd find at the beginning of cheap market check out line.
     
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    I've seen the articles/news about this but I just can't seem to find any f*cks to give about it. Just more celebrity monkeys doing a dance for money and fame IMO. I bet they will be trying to sell something before the end of the year.
     
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    "Just more celebrity monkeys doing a dance for money and fame" LOL. What a great quote - it sums up the current celeb world.

    They will sell something - their souls.
     
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    They sold the interview, made millions of :greedy::greedy:$
    How much did Harry and Meghan Markle get paid for the ...
     
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    Sounds like Tom Paine or another of the founders.

     
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    While I'll keep my opinions to myself,
    I am compelled to say that it was stated at the beginning of the interview, that they were not being paid for it.
     
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    Just heard that Harry wants to take up water-color painting. Guess he'll than be known as "The Artist formerly known as Prince."
     
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    There was a time when an English King or Prince did not die in their beds.

    Are any Royals today descendants of the Normans?
     
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