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Immigration problems - CFO counseling and guidance certificate

Discussion in 'Passports and Visas' started by Rhoody, May 2, 2012.

  1. Rhoody

    Rhoody DI Forum Luminary

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    Following a rather long copy/paste from a recent happening at Clark Immigration:

    I just wanted to post that, as I am sure some long-term tourists as well as expats might be unaware of that CFO counseling and guidance certificate and the problems one can run into.
     
  2. Steve4910

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    Sounds to me like you should of kept your big mouth shut and continued on your trip. Don't stir up sh*t because you will make it stink more. It seems like you managed to p*ss off those immigration officials and they decided to screw with you by not allowing you to take your girlfriend with you. Don't you know that there is a lot of sex trafficking going on at that airport? A bunch of Koreans and Chinese got busted for trying to bring protitutes out of the country using Clark airport. Next time shut up,smile a lot and be polite. I assume that you were not the victim Rhoody so this messege does not apply to you buddy.
     
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    the story continues:

    source: http://punto.com.ph/News/Article/14113/Volume-5-No-144/Headlines/u-‘UNUSUAL-DELUSION-OF-POWER’-u-br-Clark-BI-officers-hit-for-alleged-abuses

    Steve, seems someone found another great way to p*ss of investors. I am almost certain Jeff Pradhan doubles his effort to find investors and promote the PI as it is more fun in the Philippines
     
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    LOL, the bottom line is, don't p*ss off the immigration officer. Sounds like he asked for it. Any bets on him doing it again?

    Larry
     
  5. Steve4910

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    Sounds like some immigration officers are going to get fired for over stepping their authority. I also heard that many tourists traveling with their filipina wife/girlfriend in Angeles city would rather drive almost 2 hours to Manila airport rather than deal with the bullsh*t at Clark airport. This is very bad tourism on the Philippines part and somebody better fix this mess real quick. Where is the department of Tourism and the head of immigration? They should be doing something about this instead of making excuses. This is pure laziness on Philippine government officials part. Sooner or later a drunk tourist is going to flip out at clark airport and beat an immigration officers @ss over a stupid incident like this, then it will be called an international incident. They get a lot of rough Aussies comming threw that airport. He ! He! He !
     
  6. andiflip

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    Sounds to me this was a money making scam that got caught out when they realized the guy was in a "Position" and then didn't know how to get out of it besides being a bunch of arrogant arseholes which i have always found 90% of them too be anyway, not just in Clark Airport. The main problem is these people will not be "fired" they may be promoted or transferred out of Clark to just carry on the same crap elsewhere......They may have problems if it was a Pinoy / Pinoy thing but since it was a foreigner involved also they don't care and nothing will happen.

    As i have said too many times in the past there should be a sign that says all foreigners please deposit your money here and jump on the next flight out of the country.. we don't want you here, only your money....

    This news will spread fast and should be a real "Boom" for tourism..O-|
     
  7. expatron

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    All I can say, for several years my gf and I would go every year to Hong Kong or Singapore out of Cebu, we never had any problem with only passport's. After we were married we traveled with our baby girl. I understand that human traffickers have to be stopped, but if everything is correct, just smile. Normally that works, but when it doesn't, it's all about money in the palm of someones hand. That's why so many foreigner's have stopped coming here.
     
  8. TheDoctor

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    Immigration Problem at the Airport

    Please read the entire response, there's a point to be made here:

    On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears below. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and “to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories.”
    PREAMBLE
    Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
    Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
    Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
    Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations, Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith infundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
    Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
    Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
    I see Immigration in Violation of the following UN Articles:
    Article 2.
    * Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
    Article 9.
    * No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
    Article 13.
    * (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    * (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
    Article 15.
    * (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
    * (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
    Also, the Immigration Official violated the Philippines Bill of Rights as stated in Article III Section 6: in regards to the "right to travel".
    I can see that the traveler was angry about this situation, its ironic that I received this email just today, from Bible Questions Answered "Anger is not always sin. There is a type of anger of which the Bible approves, often called “righteous indignation.” God is angry (Psalm 7:11; Mark 3:5), and believers are commanded to be angry (Ephesians 4:26). Two Greek words are used in the New Testament for our English word “anger.” One means “passion, energy” and the other means “agitated, boiling.” Biblically, anger is God-given energy intended to help us solve problems. Examples of biblical anger include Paul’s confronting Peter because of his wrong example in Galatians 2:11-14, David’s being upset over hearing Nathan the prophet sharing an injustice (2 Samuel 12), and Jesus’ anger over how some of the Jews had defiled worship at God’s temple in Jerusalem (John 2:13-18). Notice that none of these examples of anger involved self-defense, but a defense of others or of a principle.

    I think the principle of the matter that the Immigration people handled it poorly and they should apply the laws as written! If I were the travelers, I would ask the immigration office for a refund of the tickets, and ask for a future detailed training session on how the country's immigration office will begin to train their employees on laws regarding travel. The UN laws have the jurisdiction over any local laws or internal memos.

    It's nice to hear that someone else speak up and does the right thing once in a while.
     
  9. flobenz

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    This is such a stupid law. This should only be required for people leaving the country on a fiance or spousal visa. And having attended the seminar, I can't really say I learned anything of much importance!
     
  10. Old Codger

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    Actually, CFO is not required. You only need this if the Filipina is travelling abroad to be married, or in my case my wife was applying for a new Passport in her married name and had to take this course and get the certificate before she could get the new passport. I believe it is also required if she is planning to live in the other country, married or not.
     
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