Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by danbandanna, Sep 16, 2021.
Pretty much a "wait awhile" press release. It seems like by the time everyone gets the jab the first batches to get it will have zero protection left...and this will start all over again.
Well, some studies have shown natural immunity is longer lasting, so after you get your full vaccination, get pumped up by your booster, and then get sick anyway, you'll finally have what you need to combat the virus right before it mutates again. So, you've got that going for you, if nothing else.
Quite possible - there are concerns about the Mu variant and the ability of current vaccines to deal with it.
The positive side is that Mu seems less transmissible than Delta and so is being pushed out by Delta. The negative side is that no-one knows what lies around the corner for new variants (even the optimists don't really know ).
This could mean that very poor countries who can barely afford (or have the logistics available) to vaccinate enough people quickly enough will not be able to keep repeating the process. Let's hope this is not the outcome.
P.S. To hold both sides of the vaccine debate (and putting aside the issue of any long-term, current totally unknown, side effects): It seems all current variants are less deadly in vaccinated persons but that may or may not continue to be the case. That means that those with no long-term concerns or those willing (or feel the need in their particular circumstances) to take the risk, vaccination is advisable for the current situation and the future can be dealt with later!
Two trials from across the pond -- one in Spain (CombiVacs) and one in England (Com-COV) -- as well as smaller health system-based cohort studies, "consistently show that you get a stronger antibody response when you give AstraZeneca followed by one of the mRNA vaccines," Moore said.
"Two AstraZeneca shots are weaker than anything containing mRNA," he said. "It's weaker than one AstraZeneca plus an mRNA or two mRNA shots."
Moore noted that these results are based on antibody response and not on prevention of infection, hospitalization, or death.
In addition, mixing and matching became something of a necessity in Europe, as vaccine hesitancy with AstraZeneca ran high there following reports of unusual blood clotting incidents, which ultimately came to be known as thrombosis with thrombocytopenia. Many European countries moved ahead with mixing and matching AstraZeneca with mRNA vaccines; German Chancellor Angela Merkel famously received Moderna after her first AstraZeneca dose.
But Wen, who received the J&J shot during its phase III study, noted that mixing and matching adenoviral vector vaccines with mRNA vaccines appears to be safe and effective based on the European experience, and that women who received J&J especially may want to weigh their options.
We really don't need your cynicism. To me vaccine is a no brainer.
while I agree with you on vaccines I must object to your use of "we"... as I enjoy some cynicism from time to time
A "no brainer" in the short to medium term - but tell me now the LONG-TERM effects (perhaps a few years up the road)?
This is NOT a plea against vaccination as it is perhaps better to have a vaccine now and avoid serious illness than to worry too much about the future.
For me, trying to survive to reach the “long term” is my personal concern. Taking my chances on vaccine boosters for the rest of my life is fine with me,
ABS CBN report on Bloomberg ranking on best to worst place to be in the pandemic.... guess who they picked as the worst..