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    https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/10/21/news/national/govt-neglect-fuels-exodus-of-nurses/1819191

    I don't want to add gloom to gloom (even as a pessimist) but the Philippines is losing nurses to other countries at an increased rate "Dr. Rene de Grano, president of the Private Hospitals Association of the Philippines Inc. (PHAPi), on Tuesday warned that the country may lose more nurses in the next six months. He said that around 5 to 10 percent of nurses in private hospitals left their posts to find greener pastures abroad. If this trend continues, hospitals' operations would be crippled, de Grano said."

    I also read that the government is lifting its cap on allowing nurses to go abroad (for certain favoured countries I think) and just the UK needs 50,000 and is said to prefer Filipinos. I believe they have trained more nurses in the past than jobs available in the Philippines (good, as that allows many to work abroad) but it seems the pandemic has curbed that to some extent. With the huge backlog of medical care required in most countries, this exodus will continue for some time (the UK says to about 2024 - but that might be to avoid giving them a permanent visa as anything the UK does to the poor tends to be cynical). With aging populations, it is probably always going to be a problem.

    This is, of course, not an issue solely related to those who become Covid inmates but will affect the whole range of hospital patients.

    My wife's child is now studying nursing and, of course, we will be looking at a foreign job where the salary will exceed the 14,000 pesos or so (anyone know the true figure?) they are paid here.
     
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    My wife is always telling me of this problem and what's happening.

    Lots of her nurse friends have gone to Canada, some sort of promises for a fast track permanent resident visa.

    Also the nurses are getting extra payments for bringing a friend, its a fair bit think about 5k AUD.
     
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    Unless things have changed once a nurse is finished training they have to do 1 year free work experience in a local hospital before they can even get the 14,000 :greedy:
     
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    Sounds about right. I told my wife that we could have a conscience about sending her daughter abroad after being 'educated' (LOL) here - BUT, we are paying for her education now and the education she received in schools to the age of 19 was an insult to the word 'education' (I call it 'de-education'). So if they all go abroad to better their lives then good on them - just a shame for the people who live here but who accept the poor standards of education as if they are powerless to change it.
     
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    When you talk about the education standard are you referring to public schools or all? What about international schools like the Montessori school in Sibulan as a example.
     
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    I don't know from experience about private schools but know some expats who use them for their children and are pleased with the education received there (of course, generally private schools start with intelligent kids!). I read about Montessori schools many years ago and was impressed by their methods (I read they educate young kids to grasp the concept of letters by giving them letters with textures (e.g. like sand paper) so they feel them - this may seem a small point but attack any learning process from different angles and it has to be positive) but I have never spoken with anyone who went to one.

    I would suggest, if asked, to any expat coming here never to send their child(ren) to public schools - they could keep them at home and educate them for 2 hours a day and achieve better results. If they can afford it then send them to private schools (Silliman, Don Bosco and others I don't know of) - I am sure parents on this Forum could advise you on that. If you use public schools then you are in danger of taking a bright child and reducing that child to dim. Sorry, but that is the reality.
     
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    We did have plans to go to the Montessori school in Sibulan and the kids went to a Montessori school in the Philippines before coming to Australia.

    It still concerns me a bit from everything I read but my wife is confident in private schools and went herself many years ago....
     
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    If the child has intelligent parents then there is less to worry about. Most parents here do not monitor their children's schoolwork and often do the projects for them. I think that education should be about using the available resources - and school is only part of that. Children now are fortunate to have access to everything via the internet and they will use that resource wisely if guided by their parents. Without guidance they gravitate towards FB and other forms of social media, which to my mind is okay but has to be limited. I don't think it is interfering with a school to add education at home - setting projects on a diverse range of subjects and giving the child the use of the internet to research it. It may start quite badly but, with guidance, a bright child will master it in no time (they should be taught that there are no failures in their studying - only learning opportunities - unless the failure is a lack of willingness to try their best). Many exams here are multiple choice types and so a guessing game - getting them to think about a topic, read it, digest it, precis it and writing it in their own version is a skill I think is not taught here. Evidence of the lack of ability to think surrounds us in this country. I think that good parents can enhance a child's education by a huge amount and either fill gaps missing from work at school or add knowledge and thinking skills to supplement the school.
     
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    Well we have a problem.........I dropped out of school at 15 and my spelling and grammar is rubbish....you may have already noticed....haha

    As far as nurses go I'm unsure what the solution is, It would be a hard job these days with Covid.
     
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    https://newstogov.com/salary-grade-of-nurses-in-philippines/

    This is up significantly from a year ago when salerygrade 15 was 535php/day.
    I am not sure that the pay raise has actually gone into REAL effect because there is still plenty of news regarding hazard pay along with tenured nurses not getting the same wage increase as rookies.

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