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Discussion in 'Dumaguete City' started by Phillippinesfan, Jul 16, 2021.

  1. PatO

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    Looking at the economics, if it doesn’t cost the city and it creates jobs and increases income for the city, aside from the environmental issues, what is wrong with doing it. Hard to stop progress.
     
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    PatO the problem is the jobs will go to the Chines subcontractor, owned by the Chines Government, they will bring their own workforce and later they build their own Buildings and the Business will be run by Chinese's. As in other countries in Africa, Greece, Cambodia and more
     
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    Is that in the contract? I think it would be smart to take advantage of the cheap local workforce for the majority of the construction jobs. Sure, hire foreign engineers and brainpower since that is lacking here but it would be financially irresponsible to bring in unskilled Chinese workers to swing hammers and dig holes. I imagine a lot of the materials would be cheaper to source locally than it would be to ship it from China.

    Also, construction is short term jobs, you have to consider the shops/restaurants/bars that will pop up on this new land and the additional tourism dollars it will bring in.
     
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    Poly Changda is the Subcontractor (Chinese state owned) of EM Cuerpo with witch the Major will sign a Joint Venture Agreement.
     
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    There is nothing for free, especially if dealing with the Chinese.. you must have noticed that already 90% of business's here are Chinese owned..also to answer Rye, sourcing materials locally is more expensive than importing from China, where do you think the building materials here come from??
     
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    Ok. Just because a Chinese company is the contractor doesn't mean that local labor won't be used. I highly doubt you are going to see hundreds or thousands of Chinese unskilled workers working on this project. It would be a diplomatic nightmare for China to allow that and the entire purpose of these projects is for China to build diplomatic ties.

    If there is no local industry that can produce the required material then nothing is being stolen from the local economy. If this is the case then it wouldn't matter if a Filipino company won the contract, Chinese material would still need to be used. I don't see the issue. Also, China needs to get their raw material from somewhere, I would bet that there are many companies in the Philippines that export raw materials to China to produce this building material.

    Also, look at the quality of work the major construction contractor (that I won't name) here does. It's garbage. At least there is some chance that this project won't sink into the sea in a decade with Chinese engineers and oversight.
     
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    I would tend to agree, particularly as China would, in effect, be building the project for themselves. As soon as Dumaguete default on the loan it becomes wholly owned by the Chinese, as proven in many places, particularly Africa.

    Regarding the manpower - China has what they call "bureau" which are pools of manpower that they call upon to provide the labour for particular infrastructure projects. These bureau are labelled by number (1 to 20) and each number represents a particular area of China that the bureau is located. e.g. The 14th bureau is based in Yunnan and their manpower is taken from that area. The Chinese will ship these bureau personnel anywhere in the world that they're required to build a particular project. This process works out cheaper for the Chinese as they pay these workers a minimal wage and, as most have families, it gets sent back to China anyway. They live in "camps" which provide food and accommodation, so very little input into the local economy.

    The skill level of the personnel is highly suspicious. The bureau claim their personnel are skilled etc but I know, and have direct experience of, personnel who were picking rice in their locality but, on joining the bureau were told they were now electricians and sent to a project where there was a shortage of electricians. These people were directly responsible for dangerous shortcomings in the project and a liability for the project owners. Due to the low skill levels and corruption there have been many occurrences of failure causing loss of life (e.g. the use of sub-standard rebar causing a building to collapse).

    The whole set-up, being state owned, only benefits the Chinese in both the short and longer terms. This does not bode well for Dumaguete city, only those that get to line their pockets at the city's expense.
     
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    Related I think.
     
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