Bkeepr wrote: ↑""How's that for an overly optimistic gardener destined to fail once again??"" You have to think positive, Bkeepr. I have temps. between 79°f and 84°f. 24 - 7 - 365 for the last 10 years. Do not have a REAL garden, it's only 2 foot by 12 foot. Which we grow a few veggies in. I do have a grape fruit tree that is producing lemons. 2 coconut trees, 4 papaya, 1 orange, 1 rambutan, 2 lanzone trees, 3 lemon and 2 banana. We get avocado off the neighbours tree that over hangs the fence, if we can get them before the dogs do. Then there is Maria's flowers, mostly orchids of several verities. Maria is the president of the Dumaguete Garden Club. Do I miss Alaska with it's snow and ice? HELL NO! It's FUN FUN FUN all year long. Great motor bike riding nearly every day. Come ride with me! That was My reply post to Mr. Bkeepr, who lives in the SNOW belt. The chat board members are mostly old farts like me.