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PI to terminate troop agreement

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Forum' started by cabb, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. Edward K

    Edward K DI Senior Member Veteran Navy

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    Sorry, DJ, will try to stay on topic. The US actions in Mindanao in the early 20th century are extremely pertinent to the early education and mentors of President Duterte and his opinions and policies today. Remember, Duterte, although born in Leyte, moved to Davao at age 27 in 1972 and lived there until being elected President.

    The actions of the US during the Scarborough crisis in 2012 are of concern to many Filipinos today. They bear a great deal on current government policies.

    And please don't take this as bashing, but the US's recent intervention in Philippine politics with its use of visa restrictions has caused this problem to come to a head.

    De-colonization of libraries and US thought and the US lack of history and geography education (indeed in the Philippines and throughout the world also), is not helpful to an understanding of world politics. Wikipedia is a fairly accurate, unbiased, and simple summary of actions in the wars and colonial administration in that time period.
     
  2. djfinn6230

    djfinn6230 DI Forum Adept

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    I consider your criticisms of past activities of a colonial power to be fair, especially if you are a Filipino which in any case it is past, nobody living today took part in it and hopefully we can, look to the future. As far as current “interventions”, this complicates the matter as far as Filipino perceptions of the US is concerned. The US like the Philippines is a Republic meaning that the actions of one or two US Senators do not represent the will of the entire US population, only perhaps the local population who voted them in, if that. In a Republic, irresponsible politicians do unfortunately have a certain amount of leeway to cause problems like this, especially if it helps generate votes. A good example is South Florida whose voters control an entire state that is critical in Presidential elections. Duterte knows that whatever these senators did does not reflect Trump’s personal views but he must respond to it as actions of the country as a whole as he has no choice. That is what we must deal with, living in a republic, we should realize that but not be so quick to consider actions of ambitious politicians to reflect national policy.


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    I for one, welcome my new Chinese overlords.
     
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    djfinn6230 DI Forum Adept

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    Another related development is the possibility of a US Taliban deal in Afghanistan. There is an ever so slight possibility that this may lead to US troops going home from another endless engagement. Maybe, miracles can happen.

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1115540/


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  6. Rye83

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    There have been many deals, peace talks and cease fires over the years. The different political and militant regimes of the Taliban never agree and almost always end up breaking the deal by shooting or bombing innocent civilians. Don't get your hopes up.
     
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    anyone who believes anything coming out of the trump administration is living an illusion..
     
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  8. djfinn6230

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    Sure, orange man “bad”. Your post highlights the real problem. Globalists, (such as establishment liberals in the US) actually support endless foreign military engagements (to profit from war) including the Phils VFA though that is a fairly minor one. Trump craps all over these globalist military industrial policies of the past, such as pulling out of Syria, looking at dumping Afghanistan and telling the Phils that his administration does not care about the VFA abrogation and that we will “save money”. So be it. Hopefully we can look forward to several more of these pull backs in the years to come.


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    "Orange Man" LOL
     
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    We are still in Syria and will remain in Syria as a "peace keeping force".
     
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