Of course Im guessing..You mentioned trying to mess with the pointers for different reasons.. For now .. I have turned off all subscriptions..and Im still getting messages listed to my subscribed messages so the red box is filling up at the top;.. when I go to read what subscriptions I have it sent me to the wrong place..it sent me here.. copy and paste ========== [h=1]Online Users[/h] Collapse [HR][/HR] There are currently 78 users online. 16 members and 62 guests. Most users ever online was 858 at 10:41 AM on 09-24-2014. yep ... wrong place.. *AND* sorry but it is still sending me emails for postings.. I do go and check to make sure I have done what I think Ive done.... I did.. its screwing up Programming is not the FUN its made out to be !!