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More requirements for foreigners to marry fillipina

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  1. Jack Peterson

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    Davy he did this only Last Year, at a massive multi-million (Billion?) cost to the PI, he went to Brussels (Maybe not the best place to go but at least he learnt how to Fiddle legitimately) he obviously Learned a Lot and has Forgotten most of it as he now still plays his own Fiddle. With the greatest Respect Mr President "You can't Fix Stupid"
    and even a snail will Turn. :cautious:

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    lol Why, so they can enforce those laws in the Philippines on foreigners only?
     
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    There is a law already in place for this but again it's only enforced to foreigners! There have a few cases since I have been here and part of that law is withholding monies from the woman, it's a very general law to protect women.
    A few guys just up and left.
    This is a huge problem here as any woman at any time can file this and the foreigner will be locked up for a minimum 12 hours then released, then the bullshit starts.

    Ra no 9262
    2. Deprivation or threat of deprivation of financial resources and the right to the use and enjoyment of the conjugal, community or property owned in common
     
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    Just read about a this new law being enacted in the Philippines that will make it harder for a foreigner to marry a Filipina so I dug out an archived article No Divorce in the Philippines? - Your Life in the Philippines
    that maybe opens the question to whether we should even bother? Personally I am happy to have gotten married to a woman I love , but wonder if I was facing that decision today , would I have made the same choice? (and whether I would have been even allowed to make that choice)
    I subsequently made the mistake of bringing this topic up with my lovely wife, and further compounded my misery by pointing out that her dad, who has a second family with several kids, (and supports neither family) maybe should have been held to the same standards as foreigners are now been asked to meet.

    Rough night in paradise:banghead:
     
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    Well Gord this is always the burning Question is it Not?
    One the other hand why ask cos we know what the Answer will be. :whistling:

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    lol, I am not a stupid man , but I certainly can do some stupid things sometimes.
     
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    What type of night were you expecting to have after bringing that one up? :rolleyes:
     
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    lol,, Remember my scoring on the genius test . I certainly did as soon as the words were out of my mouth.:banghead:
     
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    EXACTLY! There are rules in most developed countries to protect the rights of married individuals and that's why DIVORCE is sooooo costly!
    The rule pertaining to "income & means of supporting your wife/partner" are there for good reason, if, granted, ill thought through. They are not onerous and any 'foreigner' even with the most modest of income would sail through the pre-marriage interview (which I did Sept.2014 in Manila). It's not Rocket Science. All I would add, is that in order to protect yourself from future litigation - you need to ensure that "common property" is held outside of .PH, in my case via an offshore company, which in itself is held under a Foundation Trust, where (technically) assets are owned by the Foundation, not me directly. Not complicated to do - but most suffer from lethargy and simply won't bother administering such entities - well tough luck then & don't come crying to me about it! If anything happens to me, my wife/child will benefit from maintenance payments - but hitting the Jackpot and receiving large lump sums? Nope! An overriding codicil is retained by the Foundation executor (my brother) with similar role/powers as a Trustee has.

    If I die under 'mysterious circumstances'? - The capital vanishes too, save maintenance for offspring etc..

    Yes I trust my wife and yes, she understands the reasoning behind such a framework (which also has considerable tax advantages for me when I can be bothered to stock trade online or I wish to enter into a business contract using the listed company for example). It also mitigates a REAL and valid concern about 'provincial' family attitudes who have no experience handling sizeable amounts of money. I know if I die, suddenly all my wife's family will emerge from out of the woodwork, but the same can be said for any part of the world - where a lot of Estates are tied up in costly inheritance battles between rival siblings etc.

    Rules like this are difficult to get right. They are understandable (in principle) but of course foreigners can become easy targets. Just like in corporate litigation - you don't bother suing those who haven't got the means to pay! If you've ring fenced assets anyway - then you're about as protected as one can be. But in any event - if you've married for the right reasons - why wouldn't you wish for your spouse to be financially protected? Of course separation is tough (dependent upon the reasons behind it) but I don't know anywhere in the World where divorce is THAT easy?

    I guess it's down to individual choice at the end of the day. Some will wish to be married, some will choose not to be. Years ago I think "living in sin" would be a no-no in .PH, but nowadays, who really cares that much? Sure the woman will wish for the additional financial security of marriage - hell, if I was I woman I know I would!! And marriage does entail that type of commitment. You can still walk out, get on a plane and disappear, but in reality if you think like that you're a pretty sad b**st*rd who doesn't deserve to be happy anyway!

    So - proving 'financial means' as a foreigner is straightforward enough - they will even accept letters from overseas corporations confirming income/assets and are very flexible on the paperwork required. Any 'proof' needs to be stamped by your Embassy (I went to British Embassy in Manila) - but did they really look into my affairs? Nope! Pay 3000PHP, get everything stamped and out the door in 20 minutes.

    I fully appreciate that with a young family I may be more inclined (and willing) to ensure the wellbeing of my wife/child irrespective of any potential relationship breakdown (God forbid) but hey - I don't need to be in .PH to feel this way do I? That's just being humane.
     
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    Divorces are very stressful, both financially and emotionally, whether you want it or not. In California, there is a high price for your freedom. I went through two of them and I don't have enough finances or emotions left for another one, so I am chilling out here with my wife and boy. No two persons are perfectly compatible so one learns to go with the flow.
     
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