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Discussion in 'Expat Section' started by alex, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. Frodo

    Frodo DI Member Showcase Reviewer

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    Hi Wrye. Tanjay PNP is an interesting place. Apparently, they like to handle things locally. The PNP summoned both parties to present their side of the story. My gf attended the meeting because her (Filipino) father was driving the motorbike. The idiot old man -- who was from Tanjay -- admitted fault and then the parties negotiated a settlement. Maybe the old man was just an honest person so he admitted fault. Maybe the old man knew there was a witness living along the road who saw his hat blow off, saw him attempt the U-Turn, and saw the accident. Anyway, we appreciated the old man's honesty so we were more accommodating regarding the settlement then we would have been if he tried to lie about what happened.
     
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  2. TheDude

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    From the comments it appears that one guy was named Roger and he may have died from internal bleeding. The other guy probably died on the scene from severe head trauma. The picture seems to support this as one foreigner is seen receiving medical attention while the other is not.

    Bottom line, driving motorcycles here is an extreme risk, no matter what you do.

    My condolences to those involved, friends and family. This is a tragic event at any time. Tragic news for the holiday season. Also horrible for Flipflops as you never want to hear that one of your patrons was involved in a fatal accident after leaving your bar.

    I don't even know how you could be fully safe driving a motorcycle, even sober. By getting from point A to point B in this country, you are taking many 3rd world risks. Driving motorcycles. Relying on the local emergency response system as well as the medical system. A lack of laws to protect you from yourself (no enforcement of traffic laws, including drinking and driving.)

    Foreigners come here with little to no experience driving motorcycles. They drink and drive. Many have little to no money to deal with the consequences.

    Driving in the West is so simple (though still dangerous.) Stay between your lines. Watch where you're going. Watch the signs. Here, it's like driving in a swarm with things coming at you in all directions. Your brain can't even handle the complexity of so much activity happening at once.

    f*ck it. Take a pedicab or walk.
     
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  3. KTM

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    As per the video, Fred dead on the spot, the other, Roger, died at the scene, (from apparent head injuries). Wear a helmet, fasten it properly. Sorry for both of them, but common sense and the country's existing laws, are supposed to prevent this type of sadness.
     
  4. charlyB

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    So i assume the old man did not have TPL insurance either, do you know if he was arrested for all these not haves ? :clown:
     
  5. Robboy

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    This is sad news that two expats have died. The thing that bothers me is that from what I read here and other media sources is the blame appears pointed at the guy who was drunk which maybe so but from my understanding there is no proof of this unless someone can enlighten me. There are scenarios here, first very unusual and highly un- coincidental that two foreigners on bikes will meet and collide as the chances of that would be like the same as winning the lotto. What I am thinking is something happened between the bar and accident, did the other rider know the drunk? did something occur along the road or perhaps the other rider for whatever reason knew the guy in black was drunk so decided to try and stop him? What ever happened one made a mistake and perhaps it was not the drunk guy, perhaps he could have made it home on that day and the good samaritan made the mistake rather than the drunk. Don't get me wrong, this drunk guy should never had ridden off in the first place and I doubt if the real facts will ever be known of what happened that day. I just hope all keep an open mind when blame is pointed and I know many will say that it's the drunks fault otherwise none of this would have happened but there is an unknown to this tragic event.
     
  6. Rye83

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    If a person is over the legal limit it is ALWAYS their fault.....no matter how safe they were driving, no matter what the circumstance. It doesn't matter if a meteor fell out of the sky, caused the intoxicated person to lock up the brakes and then got rear ended. Every country has their own laws on what they consider intoxicated but I can assure you that this gentleman would have been at least 3 times higher than the most generous BAC limits that exist.
    There are a whole lot of foreigners in Dumaguete. The chances aren't nearly as low as hitting the lottery. It's even more likely to hit a foreigner during non-rush hour times (since most of us don't have jobs and that is when the accident happened). As drunk as this guy was I highly doubt any conversations or stops took place in the 5km between the bar.
    Again, drunk driver is always to blame in a road accident. He should not have been on the road. I could understand the blame being withheld if the guy only had a couple drinks but the guy had trouble just standing up and could barely speak. There is no possible way this accident was the fault of anyone but the drunk driver. It's one thing to be a bit tipsy, it's a completely different to be so drunk that you are talking to imaginary people at the bar. I would have never tried to get his keys if he was just a bit "tipsy", it has to be a "wtf, you are going to kill yourself" type of drunk for me to say anything to anyone.
     
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    Interesting. Here is a philosophical question to ponder. So the owner of a bar who has just served his leglessly blind drunk patron with a gazillion Red Horses then orders one of his ever smiling bar girls to help this poor blind drunk patron { who in fact is an alcoholic } to help him onto his mbike so he can speed off home in peak hour is not in any way responsible if the patron has an accident.?
    Let us look at this another way....if you heard that a foreigner gave your 5yo child a loaded Glock pistol with the safety catch off..would you think that was in any way irresponsible? Or in fact its your childs responsibility that he blew his little head off?
     
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    Keep in mind the police can't make anyone pay. They just record the info on their blotter etc with both parties on hand
     
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  9. TheDude

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    We're in Asia. These people could pass a law to do a public firing squad execution for drinking and driving if they wanted to. Wait until the dictator gets into office. Should be fun. Maybe they'll pass a law that all foreign scalps will be purchase by the government and 100 pesos each. #GTFO
     
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    The police will keep the vehicle in impound until the situation is settled. Holding the vehicle is about the only leverage they have.
    My stepson had an accident and we had to meet at the police station a few times to get our money. When all was settled they released the perpetrators bike with our permission.
     
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