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restro bars how many is enough?

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  1. alex

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    Hi, if what i hear is true the black pearl is about to open again, ill leave it to the new owner to tell his story. Starting from Robinson,s heading towards Bacong their is 11 foreign owned places to eat and drink before the city limits , how many is enough and how many think they can survive ,as i see it the person that owns the building is the one making the money and if i owned such a sight i would lease to an expat and sit back and watch him work 14 hours a day in order to make ends meet.
     
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    No there isn't. :wink: There are Filipino owned lots that are leased out to a Filipina that is dating a foreigner who manages the place for them. There are no foreign "owned" restobars in Dumaguete. :wink:

    I don't think Natasha is a member on the forum....and she's not a he. :wink:

    More competition is rarely a bad thing for customers. The Black Pearl was always one of the nicer outdoor restobars: huge lot, plenty of seating, far enough away from the highway, off-highway parking, swimming pool, stage.....that bar probably has the most potential out of all the restobars in that area. I can certainly understand why someone would be willing to have a go with it. My only concern would be the amount being asked for the rent/lease. To make any sense to me it would need to be cut in half. Of course things could have changed recently and it came down to a more reasonable price. I'm not 100% sure who is planning on re-opening it but I have a pretty good idea who he/they are. If it is going to be re-opened then I wish the best of luck to whoever it is (even if it's not who I think it is). I was a regular customer many years ago and I have a feeling that if it reopened I would become one again....so long as the food was good and I could still by my rum by the bottle. Hint, hint, :wink: :wink:
    Leasing doesn't just benefit the owner and screw over the tenant. It is common business practice all over the world for a very good reason. (Personally I would much prefer to lease; if sh*t starts going down hill I know I can just walk away after the lease is finished.)

    BTW: Iv'e been asked if I was involved in this in some way (from a few people).....not sure why people seem to act like that would be a bad or concerning thought, but FYI........I'm not. :cool:
     
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    I was in one of those many restos one day having lunch and the foreigner and his Filipino partners accountant were discussing the finances. I couldn't help but overhear. I think the foreigner was a good manager but not a good businessman. Evidently they didn't have much of an agreement beside who put up how much and how the profits were divided. The foreigner was spending most days there managing the place basically for nothing...except to make sure he didn't lose his initial investment. He was basically slave labor held hostage by his investment. It really brought home to me that you don't want your first experience in a business partnership or in any business to be in the Philippines.
     
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    You make your bed, you must lay on it. Homework is the key word here, Lay it on the Line as to how it should work, No Agreement? "Keep your Wallet in your Pocket" We can all make our own success or failure based on the before meeting rather than the After. Holding meetings like you mention is Like closing the Stable Door after the Horse has Bolted.
    JMHO but...............:wideyed:
     
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    Look at the past record of black pearl,has it ever worked? No. People never learn and will never work long term! Let the new owners throw their cash away and learn the hard way.
     
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[​IMG] Mate, give the people a chance, :facepalm: Things can change you know. :wink:

    Just saying, Rome in a Day and all that! :whistling:
     
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  7. DavyL200

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    It may be harsh jp but I'm sure you know where I'm coming from with this post :smile:
     
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  8. ChMacQueen

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    Depending on how well it does I think its up a few things and not just competition.

    1. Renting. Price MUST be reasonable for the location. A small place on the highway is NOT worth 20k peso's generally. Lots of newer business's leasing their place are being killed on rent alone. The owner just cares about rent for a few months and not at all about being fair or having a longterm tenant they don't drive out of business by insane rent.

    2. Do you have a good landlord? Is your landlord looking to drive you out of business if you seem to hit the jackpot to takeover the business and steal your idea?

    3. Are you strict on your staff on interacting with customers and engaging customers? A customer should never just walk in and look around w/o being engaged. If the gals are sitting behind the counter on their cell phones and this happens and they don't fix it.... fire them.

    Then of course all the normal things such as if the food is good, prices are fair both ways, is the food the same thing of the same quality everywhere else, etc etc etc.

    I tend to think #1 is the real killer. Its hard for an average place to pull 20kish in rent plus electricity, then wages per law, and other basic expenses in the monthly profit margin and expect to come out ahead.
     
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  9. Dave_Hounddriver

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    As I see it, its all about location. If there are a dozen or more resto-bars in the area that I like to hang out, (just using myself for an example) then I shall most often go to the few that have convenient locations, for me. That means they are close to where I live, close to where I like to socialize, or somewhere on the road I usually travel. Thus, there are some fine places in and around Dumaguete that I will never get to.

    Second to location is peer pressure. If a good friend or a group of friends want to meet at a place I do not usually go to, then I shall go there due to the peer influence.

    So with Black Pearl, it is too far out off my beaten track and most of my friends have given up on the place for other venues. It's possible I will never go there, But, if they can lure enough of my friends in there then I shall surely join them there one day.

    EDIT: Third, but just as important, is food quality, food choices, prices, service and consistency. Getting the customer is only the first step. Keeping him is just as important.
     
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    I agree, which is why I always liked the BP and other bars in the area (minus the one that was operated by a complete tool). Living in Valencia, that little stretch of bars is perfect for me. Coming down a back-road to Dumaguete you only have to deal with about 1km of Dumaguete nonsense before you get to a place to have a drink and a bite to eat.....then hang around until 9-10pm when the traffic dies down and head to the boulevard. :wink:

    The previous French owners made it work for quite a long time. They certainly didn't get rich off of it and it was a struggle for them but they made enough to allow the three partners to live here for the entire duration. Nobody is going to get rich off a restobar in the Philippines and anyone who thinks they will is a fool......but it very well could provide you with enough income to live here.

    I didn't know the gay/transsexual manager before them but I suspect he might have had a problem getting customers because of his lifestyle, not that I think there is anything wrong with that lifestyle......but when your main customer base is conservative, opinionated old men that are stuck in their ways that type of lifestyle might make bringing the customers in rather difficult. (I could be way off on this one since I never actually met the guy or went to the bar when he owned it.)

    The manager after the French owners bought it as nothing more than a toy. He worked overseas and was never at the bar. He sold the lease shortly after buying it when he decided he was not going to stay in the Philippines. If a manager is never at a bar to manage it failure is only a matter of time.

    The last managerwas a complete idiot and had absolutely no chance of ever running a successful business, nor will he ever be able to. Coloring inside the lines of a children's coloring book is probably a bit too much for him to handle. Nothing but failure should be expected from that guy.

    I have heard who is planning on opening it again. I think it could be done right by them. The only thing I would ask for, no BEG for, is that they please.....please....pretty pretty please!!! do not hire anyone from their previous staff. That last bunch had to be THE most worthless sack of sh*t staff that I have EVER encountered in the Philippines. It was common to have to wait 10 minutes just to be asked what I wanted to drink, they regularly gave sob stories then asked to borrow money from customers and they were only concerned with finding the next long nose expat boyfriend.
     
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