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  1. Jack Peterson

    Jack Peterson DI Forum Luminary Highly Rated Poster SC Connoisseur Veteran Air Force

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    Statically a nice score, do I have to believe that once users and pushers do surrender they are longer addicted to use or to push it.
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    I believe that once they turn themselves in they write their name, address and contact information down in some log book and then they are free to leave. I'm guessing that since the prisons couldn't possibly handle that many people and there are no rehab facilities to speak of that those log books are for reference in case they are arrested in the future for drug related crimes with the info shared with the PDEA to go on their watch lists....or the log books will be distributed out to groups that will take care of them at a later date.
     
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    Are drugs that bad there? I was curious so I went and looked for USA statistics. The data is a little old but a couple of interesting things. It seems like it would be better to outlaw alcohol based on the statics.

    Bureau of Justice Statistics, Drugs and Crime Facts: Drug Use and Crime

    In 2004, 17% of state prisoners and 18% of federal inmates said they committed their current offense to obtain money for drugs. These percentages represent a slight increase for federal prisoners (16% in 1997) and a slight decrease for state prisoners (19% in 1997).

    Here is the victims perception. Alcohol far exceeds drugs.
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  5. Rye83

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    I don't doubt that a whole lot of crime is alcohol related....but just like those stats, that is only a perception. I would be more interested in knowing the actual statistics for those that had been caught. However, very few drugs (at least the easily accessible and popular ones) would actually cause a person to commit a violent crime. Alcohol happens to be one of those few "inhibition" lowering drugs and it commonly makes people violent/aggressive. Most other commonly used drugs are meant to cause euphoria or give a huge boost to ones self-image/confidence. I believe it is addiction (a mental illness) that's usually the culprit when drugs are being blamed for something.

    Not saying "addiction" or even mental illness is the cause though. I think blaming it on drugs or addiction is just a way to avoid talking about a stronger correlation to violent crime: having a sh*t childhood/parent(s).
    I wonder what the victim's "perception" would be if asked what they believed the offender's social economic status was? I bet "poor" would be a whole lot higher than the 35 percent(ish) that were "perceived" to be on alcohol and/or drugs. :meh:

    Were they looking to "obtain money for buying drugs" or were they arrested for looking to "obtain money for selling drugs"? IMO there is a huge difference between a mugger and a guy just selling some weed to a person who wants to buy it.
     
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    Here's a funny little story that highlights how meaningless this all is.

    I brought a family member across from Cebu to help out on some construction work. Solid fellow, father to four, honest as the day is long. My bad, as I should have hired a local as the next thing I know is that the baranguay names him as a drug user and he is required to surrender at the local police station.

    I'm not having anything of this I say, let's go talk to the baranguay captain. A discussion follows in which I hear the words "liquidation squad". I suggest an affidavit that my man has never used drugs (which he hasn't). The baranguay captain says he won't sign as my man is from Cebu and not on his voters register. I say, but this is your accusation. Conversation comes to a halt. Go back to Cebu is the gist.

    I have my man call his baranguay chief in Cebu. All is fine and dandy, affidavit prepared, but the police want it from our local baranguay chief...who won't sign. The net result is my man signs a piece of paper attesting to the fact that voluntarily and without coercion he confesses to using drugs on 3 occasions in 1997. He is photographed and sent on his way. He treats this as a giggle, but understands that if he refused to sign he would make himself a bigger target. The stats are improved by one and during the rest of the day we meet the baranguay drunk (aged 60+) also a similar criminal so it seems. Various loafers, karaoke addicts, under employed clowns also 'fess up...must be living in a Shabu hotbed it seems....

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    I am a little confused. How did they know he was there and his name to be able to name him as anything? How did you/he know they were looking for him? Did he have interactions with locals once you got him there? Were they looking for someone else with the same name? Was/is there something that could have been done or avoided (besides not bring him) that would have prevented this from happening?
     
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    He's a relative, he used to live here, he went to Cebu for work a few years back. I brought him back for this project. I already have locals working here, it's pretty impossible to be invisible. This was tsimis pure and simple. He was handed a piece of paper by some baranguay gopher telling him to report to the police. The baranguay Chiefs were told to compile a list of drug users and instruct the accused to surrender. I have no idea why they named him. My theory is that someone's nose was pushed out of joint when I appointed him as chief electrician - and not the loafer I usually employ when stuff needs doing. Other than that no compendo as to the whys, what's and how's. A simple instruction from the baranguay chief to surrender was all it took. No evidence, just the say so of the baranguay captain. It stinks.

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    *gasp* Corruption continues as usual and these "vigilante" groups (or threat of using them) are being used for corrupt personal gain. Shocked I tell you, SHOCKED! :meh:
     
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    Just another day in paradise. Business as usual.
     
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