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    The one big problem getting a Filipino citizenship is that an American must deny allegiance to the USA and loss their SS and other retirement benefits. On the other hand, the USA allows dual citizenship if one does not deny allegiance to his birth country.

    Filipinos borned in the USA can return to retire in the Philippines and reclaim their Filipino citizenship WITHOUT denying allegiance to the USA. They carry two passports and can travel back and forth with no hassles.

    This is unfair. Either the USA should cancel citizenship to Filipinos or the Philippines should allow dual citizenship without requiring a US citizen to deny allegiance to American.

    The basis of the law that allows Filipinos to acquire dual citizenship is that they were forced by financial conditions to leave their homeland. The same situation exists with most Americans living in the Philippines.

    I want to challenge the law by filing a class-action case which may cost up to 300,000 pesos in legal fees and require maybe 30 plaintiffs. In other words, for 10,000 pesos each, we could start a legal case that might change the law especially since the basis of the current law is based on economical need.

    Anybody interested in helping out or joining this effort? If so, contact David Williams at Studio Apartments 035-421-1343.
     
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    I'm not interested but assume that it's easier to find 300.000 Filipino's against 1 peso each to get an American passport, than 30 Americans for P10,000 (or even for free) for a Philippine passport.
     
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    how exactly would filipino citizenship benefit you
     
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    I think it is the land thing again.

    This part is not in reply to the quoted text.

    Some people think being able to own land in their own name is the be all and end all. This is the usual reason people cite. Not to be mean to the OP but I think it's an illness, not wanting to own land, but foreigner wanting to own land in the Philippines.

    There are some Americans who show up in the Philippines with some fairly serious cash wanting to buy. To them 300k php is not a huge amount of money. If they can't manage it with much greater resources, I don't think 300K is going to do it. If a lawyer told me he could get the desired ruling for 300K, I would seriously not talk to him as it sounds like a lawyer who needs 300k.
     
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    Sorry, but are you are even qualified to become a naturalized citizen?
    Show me someone who has been here for legally for 10 years straight, has had a good moral character for the entire time, owns land (the property you gave your wife or is under your - partially owned - corporation's name doesn't count as yours) or has a legal business or job. I am quite sure there aren't 10 of them on this forum and you'd be hard pressed to find 10 of them in the entire country.
    ....and all of us wout be dead before it hit the Supreme court for a ruling at that price.
    As the website owner I feel that I should voice that I do not endorse or support any such case and I would recommend all members keep their P10k in their pockets. The only winner in such a case would be the lawyers IMO and I think the publicity of such a case would do much more harm than good for expats/foreigners given the current political climate and attitudes towards us.
    I'm sorry but I just don't agree. Anyone moving here under the impression/claiming that it is cheaper to live here is a fool, telling porky pies, doesn't actually own the property/house they are being permitted to live in or is renting housing that wouldn't be considered fit for humans in the West. The only real reason an American would want a citizenship in this country would be to fully own land or a business and the courts are going to see through this nonsense very quickly. Under the law an American has absolutely no right to become a citizen here (unless they have Filipino parents). The Philippines uses jus sanguinis principle for citizenship. This is why a person of Filipino decent can (fairly) easily get their citizenship. It might not seem "fair" to an American, where jus soli is also used, but the vast majority of the world does not use that principle for citizenship. The judicial system cannot alter/amend the constitution/law, they can only interpret existing law as constitutional or not.....no matter how bad you want that plot of land to be in your name.

    I'm no lawyer and some/all of the above could be wrong but I would never hand some lawyer (or anyone else) P10k pesos without some serious time spent explaining previous case law and how this could have a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting a favorable ruling.....and even then I would likely feel like I was getting scammed and keep the P10k for myself.
     
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    #1. I've been here 18 years and really enjoy living in this country even though I dislike certain things. Being a citizen would enable me to vote and openly discuss things I don't like. #2. Being a citizen would allow me to buy, sell, mortgage, and foreclose real property. #3. Being a citizen would enable me to invest in certain businesses and projects. #4 Being a citizen would allow me run for local political office, or become a lawyer if I wanted. #5. Being a citizen would allow me to come and go in and out of the country without having to deal with immigration. #6. Being a citizen would make me feel proud and more welcome in my chosen country. I could go on and on with dozens of more advantages.
     
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    Wow... you sure do have a negative outlook on the Philippines. Let me examine each of your statements: You are dead wrong to say it is as expensive to live in the Philippines as compared to the USA? You say, "The only real reason an American would want a citizenship in this country would be to fully own land or a business and the courts are going to see through this nonsense very quickly." What's wrong with owning land and a corporation in your own name? And, you obviously have zero experience with the courts -- even a foreigner can get a honest shake in court if he knows what he's doing. I never lost a case and I've been through many legal tangles that would have never happened had I been a citizen. You're also wrong to say the Supreme Court can not change an unjust law. Furthermore, I have already went through the preliminary stages and know how to challenge the law and know the jurisprudence necessary. I'm not an idiot, nor am legally naive in the Philippines. Yes, a novice like you would probably get scammed by a crooked lawyer because you do not know what you are talking about. But, again I say, I'm no stranger to Philippine laws--I have hundreds of friends working at the Hall of Justice. I am well known in that building. I already know the trustworthy lawyers and the crooks and they know me. No lawyer in Dumaguete would dare play games with me--they know my reputation for winning Supreme Court complaints against crooked lawyers and judges!
     
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    Yes, I am qualified in all respects to be a citizen of the Philippines and I have the 300,000 pesos to file the case by myself. I just though a few Americans might like to join me for a stinking $200. But I guess not. That tells me a lot about me fellow Americans in Dumaguete.
     
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    wow wow !!!!!!!!!!!!! a bit harsh on what americans live here, i have been here 7 years and i dont know any americans, and with that attitude to your countrymen, i wouldnt exactly hold out the hand of friendship to you, and you have been here 18 years and know the justice system quiet well and all those lucky people both inside and outside, to finish you certainly have the personality of a filipino with your sting in the tail comment ........................and here's hoping you get your wish
     
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