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Really!? EU asks PH to legalize drugs and abortion?!

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  1. aldinlapinig

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    Read this article published by Manila times with a statement from the new foreign Secretary Alan Peter Cayetano saying: “They want to legalize the possession of drugs for personal use. How can that be accepted here, what will you do with money when you have so many addicts. Their demands are not in the grants, but we have to read between the lines..."

    EU wants legalized abortion, drug use – Cayetano
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    via: Manila Times
     
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    If the Philippines doesn't want the stipulations that go along with the handouts then they should stop putting their hand out. Nobody is forcing the Philippines to change any of their laws.
     
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    From what I have read Duterte has already told them where to stick their money and I believe has extended that to foreign aide from any other country, GOOD! I feel Australia gives more to the Philippines than they do to their own in times of disaster as witnessed again recently during the Cyclone season there.

    I totally agree with disagreeing about the legalisation of Drugs, I have watched what it has done to friends and Family back in Oz, I have witnessed generations fall prey to drugs and break down entire family units where the kids have gone into state care and ended up following in their parents footsteps, while some may not, MANY DO!

    However regards Abortion; I honestly believe there IS a need for this, I have seen many MANY cases where abortion SHOULD be allowed! IMHO Religion should NOT interfere in Politics EVER! The Philippines is a country wracked with poverty due to over population of the poor and any Religion that forbids the alternatives has NO PLACE in Politics or the running of any Country IMHO... They only contribute to the already impoverished and suffering situations for their own perverted sadistic needs/agendas. Without pointing out the many touchy examples that exist here and abroad, WHY MUST a woman bear a child knowing how or why it was conceived or worse still, placing the child into care where most times it will experience an horrific child hood with little prospect of a bright future... Sad, just very very sad... :sorry:
     
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    The EU is a cr*p institution, run by unelected bureaucrats and soon to fail, and should be IGNORED at all times.
     
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    And would I be incorrect in my suspicions that it is merely a tool for furthering the advancement of Islam in many countries where this blight never existed before? Looking at the aide given, it seems to further these causes in favour of the wants/needs of others... :o o:
     
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    Pretty sure the EU has elections. Every government organization has bureaucrats that are appointed by elected officials. I have no opinion about the EU as I could care less what they do but your argument seems a bit flawed.

    I agree it would probably not do any good for the Philippines to legalize drugs, but not for the reasons you stated here.

    Wealthy countries would be better off spending more money on harm reduction and addiction programs than spending on a war on drugs. This war on drugs has been nothing but a massive failure and has done nothing to address the causes of addiction. It has only made drugs cheaper, easier to obtain, turned nonviolent offenders on to violent gang culture while in prison and has done absolutely nothing to reduce addiction rates.

    The Philippine people and government are not mature enough, wealthy enough or smart enough to deal with the legalization of drugs, as is evident by who is sitting at the head of their government. More civilized countries certainly would be better off going with the drug education, harm reduction and legalization route. The biggest issue leading to addiction is mental illness and people self medicating. Figure out what the cause of those issues are and deal with them and you will likely deal with the symptom of addiction.

    As for abortion: that won't be happening any time soon in the Philippines. The Catholic Church has its claws dug in way to deep in the Philippines and they aren't about to allow that to happen. Without the poor and uneducated the church would lose much of their power. Gotta fill them seats with someone...and the educated aren't going to church in numbers anywhere near enough for the church to keep their business afloat.
     
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    I will be honest; I do not know WHAT will solve the "Illegal Drug Problems". With so many new Drugs being produced where would you begin? Education? How many will listen, I know I have tried talking to people affected by drugs, and all words fall on deaf ears, and I am not only talking about the kids, as many I know who are using/selling drugs back in Oz are Grandparents! Where I lived on a corner, opposite me on 2x corners were Drug dealers, beside me and next door to that, then another 2x houses up, Drug Dealers, around the corner an 80+ year old Grandmother was selling drugs to her Grandson and his friends! I think like Prostitution, while there are people lining up to make use of the service offered, you will never stamp it out...
     
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    Supply & Demand on most things, seem to be the reason a lot goes wrong, no matter what it is.
    More people on the streets wanting Rides= more tricycles, More Borrowing = More Debt OH the list could go on forever, I agree with Dustin Treat the cause & it may get better? But.................:banghead: as you say who is listening :pompus:
     
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    On a basic level, illegal activities (drugs or prostitution) require the general population to provide funding for law enforcement, legal proceedings, incarceration, and rehabilitative programs. Legalizing the activities allows regulations to make them safer (requiring safe 'fillers' etc instead of unknown dosages and mixes of potentially fatal additives or health checks to identify and prevent the spread of diseases) and the actual users, through taxes, to pay for their own programs, enforcement etc.
     
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    In my past, I worked with young drug users and criminals. You need stop it before it start, or as early as possible. Lack of parents who care, and life conditions, is why people start use drugs. In my opinion, it can help give free drugs, controlled by by doctors. Only to addicted with no hope to recover. Crime goes down, and the users don't need be regular customers customers in jail. It will not work in 3. world countries, before living conditions change, and then it no longer a 3. world country. I live in Denmark, don't like all important decisions come from EU, like we can have our own justice system and foreign politic
     
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