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Dealing with Addiction

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    We are dealing with it the wrong way.
     
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    Thanks for posting that! I enjoyed the video! That is an interesting idea that would probably solve the drug problem, but drug cartels and prison systems are in the business of making money. They would never let that happen.
     
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    I think he has nailed it. He is not giving all the answers but he is directing society on the path to follow to find them. Excellent video, shared to my Facebook :facepalm: dang I'm a Facebook and forum addict.
     
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    I think his hypothesis really applies to the Philippines. Many of the addicts in the Philippines don't have a pot to p*ss in and have absolutely no purpose in life. The government should be more focused on lifting up the poor than shooting them or throwing them in prison.
     
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    But before they became drug addicts, the wrong attitude was already there. The want for fast money like driving a trike. And it's not true that beggars can't be picky, not in the Philippines. Or maybe more of: "You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink"? I know of a retiree who tried to create jobs for his neighbors but failed. Education should have been dealt with seriously since 1898. Portugal, in the video's example, is smart to use their own language in educating their people. With English, Filipino professionals had the choice to work outside the Philippines instead of contributing their skills to the nation not only leaving the ignorants behind but pampering them with cash from abroad making them more dependent and lazy.
     
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    Ohhhhh so true. I see so many foreigners who think they are giving some poor person a better life by throwing cash at them but it does indeed turn out lazy, dependent people.

    Our own ancestors , in North America, were often dirt poor. Many of them liked a drink and some even operated a still in the woods but few (that I am aware of) became alcoholics because they were busy and fulfilled. They were building themselves a better life and had no time to become addicted to some recreational activity.

    My own father had a horrible alcohol and tobacco habit. Nowadays they would call it an addiction. But it wasn't really, because as soon as he figured out they were causing a problem in his marriage and family life he threw them both out, cold turkey. There was no psycho-babble about needing therapy to quit because he was addicted. He just did it.
     
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    We are all products of our experiences. If you or myself (or anyone else) had been exposed to the same life experiences and circumstances of an addict/criminal/bad person we could very well came out the same way. Damaged people are damaged for a reason. You can't un-break something by hitting it with a hammer (shooting it or locking it up in a cell). That only does more damage. You have to look at the broken pieces, do a bit of troubleshooting (aka critical thinking) and then try to carefully put the pieces back together.

    Quitting alcohol cold turkey can lead to death for people who are heavily dependent.

    The story about your father backs up what was said in the video, IMO. He saw that he had a purpose in life....something many addicts do not have. Just because the "psycho-babble" wasn't spoken about back then doesn't mean that it didn't still apply. :wink:
     
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    The video was good and I hope the other countries who are faced with the same problem can learn from it and maybe the Philippines too, in the future? Here's an example of a simple problem in the Philippines and how they think to solve it: Pissing on the wall
    Solution is a signage: It already smells here. You have to go to another wall.:hilarious:
     
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    I have no faith in humanity as a whole. We are destined to keep making the same mistakes we always have...no matter how many times we have learned the lesson. Duterte is not the first person to attempt this "kill all drug dealers/users" approach and he certainly won't be the last.
     
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    What he has done, is driven it underground. Many known drug suppliers were openly talked about in the past. It was easy to ask around and find out who was supplying what. Since Duterte, the people who were 'rumored' to be suppliers are still getting richer but they say: "Oh no, we gave up all that drug stuff and we have nothing to do with it any more". Plus, before Duterte people were quite willing to 'advertise' where you could go get some drugs but since that time people are scared to death (with good reason) to point out who is dealing the drugs. So when you see people getting killed, you have to ask yourself if its the dealers or the squealers getting shot and are they getting shot by Duterte's mob or the dealer's mob?

    Bottom line: The dealers are still there. The addicts are still there. The problems are still there. But its not talked about so w'ay problema.
     
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