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Discussion in 'News and Weather' started by PatO, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Notmyrealname

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    Just my point .... don't fire tiny little squirty missiles at them .... blanket the entire country with nukes.... end it once and for all.

    True... but 10 million now or 1 billion later?

    Just make sure they have no North to go back to.

    Yes, better a minor nuclear fallout now than a major one later.
     
  2. Dutchie

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    I will assume that you think you live far enough from Seoul/Pyongyang to feel safe when typing opinions like that.
    I'm hopeful your opinion will be ignored by the decision makers who can actually push those buttons.
    What is scary is that that hope might prove to be idle when considering the two most important of those are both arrogant narcissist bullies with a complete lack of empathy.
     
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    The USA is the strongest power militarily in the world and they could decimate North Korea within a week just by using the B1 bombers. North Korea is still in the middle ages militarily. The US Navy also has a nice new weapon (the rail gun) that can decimate any ballistic missile with seconds. Here is the link-



    The leadership of North Korea either has a death wish or is extra stupid.
     
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    As long as there are people who keep thinking bigger better guns and a big mouth are the answer, rather than diplomacy, to most if not all international disputes, the rest of us better hope they don't rise to positions of power. Oops....................
     
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    They couldn't be destroyed by air attacks alone. NK has tons of bunkers for their military to hang out in until it let up. A ground war would be inevitable. Easy for old men sitting in Washington to send young men to deaths but I don't think the American people would have the stomach for a real war....especially since it would be all over their televisions.

    The regime isn't stupid. They know the US can't initiate an attack for political and regional stability reasons.

    Maybe they will eventually screw up and do something that crosses a line....but they have done plenty of nasty stuff in the past that hasn't crossed any lines.

    If Reagan hadn't hidden Pakistan's nuclear weapons program from Congress in the 80s Pakistan likely would have never had the opportunity to share their technology with NK. Thank a US politician for a nuclear NK.

    And that rail gun is new technology that has been largely untested. I agree with you that the current air defense systems could possibly "decimate" a flurry of ballistic missiles but....

    dec·i·mate
    ˈdesəˌmāt/
    verb
    1. 1.
      kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of.
      "the project would decimate the fragile wetland wilderness"
    2. 2.
      historical
      kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers or others) as a punishment for the whole group.
    That's not good enough when it comes to nuclear warheads. They need to be obliterated.

    If I wanted to get around missile defense systems and I had less than 5 nuclear warheads I would launch 1 nuclear warhead right next to 100 conventional warheads at the same target. You might be able to shoot some of them down, but you aren't going to get all of them.

    FYI: what was shown shooting in that video was NOT a rail gun. It was a Gatling gun with exploding rounds used to shoot down helicopters, mortars and rockets and other slow moving aircraft and projectiles....not ICBMs. They were also showing some type of mortar that throws out shrapnel to destroy the same kind of aircraft projectiles. That thing was hardly launching those mortars 200 meters. Nice distance to destroy rockets and mortars....not so much for a nuclear warhead on an ICBM. Those operate in conjunction with short range air defense (SHORAD) radars (below 2k ft and a range of....well, not very far). You need HIgh to Medium Air Defense (HIMAD) systems like the Patriot missile system to shoot down high and fast moving objects. Robot voice videos are complete bollocks most of the time.

    Not sure what good a rail gun would do for air defense anyways. Their propose is to avoid launch detection and radar acquisition of warheads....not to shoot down anything.
     
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    In fact I have empathy that sometimes hurts so badly but I look at this purely from an intellectual viewpoint and not an emotional one. I weigh up a deplorable amount of death now against an even more deplorable amount of death in the future. NK is going to make a mistake at sometime due to the Fat One's recklessness and leave no choice but an attack on NK - do we want that now or when they have 1000 nuclear missiles? And do we wait until they have given (probably sold) nuclear technology to other nations??? Sometimes choices are not win-win but are lose-lose and I am well aware of the consequences for millions of innocents (a fact throughout history).

    I would be interested in Mr Wyre's take on this question: "If at the end of WW2, the US had rapidly produced enough nuclear bombs to force the Soviet Union to 'surrender' and so prevent them developing nuclear weapons and then done the same to China a few years later, would the world now be a safer place?" It seems to me that allowing two large powers to hold nuclear weapons has stopped the US from dealing with minor nations who now hold them. Against that I weigh up the fact of the US holding absolute power over the world and question would that have been used for the good of all nations or would we now just be slaves of the US.
     
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    It is worse to assign moral equivalence to both sides. Doing so paralyzes one's ability to pick sides against the true bad actor, the aggressor, and then do nothing except to falsely reinforce the standing of the bad actor for a worse confrontation later on, when the good guys will then have less worldwide support.

    Yes, USA are the good guys in this case.



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    He must be both.
     
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    I don't see nuclear weapons as a bad thing. They do serve a purpose for those countries that have them and nuclear weapons are very likely the reason we don't have regular large scale wars between highly developed countries. I don't think the world would be a safer place without them.

    Countries without nuclear weapons get the sh*t end of the stick. Since the big boys can't get in fights with each other without completely obliterating each other the only choice is to fight each other through proxy wars (well, we could just not fight wars but....not human nature) in countries far away filled with people that most just don't give a sh*t about. Korean War, Cuba, Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan 80s, Pakistan, Iraq 1, Bosnia, Iraq 2, Libya, Ukraine, Syria, etc, etc. All places we have either fought wars or supplied weapons to spread our influence/control.....not a d*mn one of those countries had nuclear weapons when we were fighting there.

    Nuclear weapons are about the only way smaller countries can cut the strings from their puppet masters. It may seem like many of these smaller countries are screwed up, and they very well may be, but let's not act like we haven't played a large part in making sure they stay screwed up.

    I don't like seeing a nuclear NK but I can certainly understand the strategy and logic behind it. They aren't stupid or crazy. Anyone who thinks they aren't having briefing after briefing after briefing in NK to talk about their strategy and to figure out just exactly how far they can push the international community is sorely mistaken. Almost every single thing they do is a calculated decision.

    There are no simple solutions to the problem....too many players with different interests in the region. I personal don't see them as much of a problem. I think Pakistan is far more dangerous a country to allow to have those weapons. They currently have nuclear missiles in taliban controlled areas....and the Taliban has been attacking their military bases in areas thought to have these missiles in an attempt to gain access to them. NK is predictable. They have been doing the exact same sh*t on a regular cycle ever since the cease fire was declared. The Taliban on the other hand, give them a nuke and you can be 100% certain they will use it on the West given the opportunity.

    Everyone thinks they are the good guys.
     
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    My Wyre, you wrote "Almost every single thing they do is a calculated decision." You are certainly smart enough to know that calculations are theoretical; it is what happens when those calculations are put into use that matters. I think firing a missile over Japan was calculated as a face-saving measure because the Fat Boy is scared to fire one near Guam - but if the missile had landed on Japanese soil, then what? Would Japan HAVE to retaliate in some military way and would that be the spark to start the fire?

    And I agree about Pakistan - very dangerous situation. The whole country could fall into dangerous hands and it is quite possible that the first major nuclear conflict may not be NK/USA but India/Pakistan.

    Sleep well everyone.
     
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