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  1. Rye83

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    Don't be a turd. I have had many work for me, but most prior to the implementation of this law.

    The law is there to protect those that are in a situation they are incapable of getting out of and to prevent others from getting into that situation. Obviously not all domestic workers are in such a situation. I know you are smart enough to read between the lines and could have figured that out on your own. Did that reply come before you had your morning coffee, grumps?
     
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    I take it you were only JOKING
     
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    That's a good take.
     
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    Just curious if you would be willing to share what you paid your domestic helpers?

    There was a company in Indiana that used to pay their workers minimum wage and had a high turnover. They brought in a new HR person who raised the wage and their costs actually went down, because they had less quality issues and lower turnover.

    People who pay the minimum wage and expect the best people are living in a fantasy world. If people are getting paid 100-150 pesos a day as Brian said, it's no wonder that minute the employer becomes a PIA, they move on.

    Maybe I should do a survey on how pay relates to longevity. Thoughts?
     
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    I have lived by an old saying taught to me by my first Boss in the 70's;
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    Most times, you get what you pay for... :wink:
     
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    I know this question is not directed at me but he said “regardless of what they are paid”. There is more to this issue than salary; your maid is not going to leave you based on the difference between P3000 and P4500 per month. If she and her husband had agreed to 3K, that would have been ok. No, she will leave because she misses the kids, the husband wants her around more often and found out the the extra 4.5k per month from her working wasn’t worth her being gone, or they finished saving up for the motorcycle down payment and they don’t need the money anymore. Or the husband gets a better job in Cebu and they don’t need the money anymore. In the Dumaguete Phils, a “helper” is at best a temporary position; that is why the kasambayan law is not needed and the helpers don’t rely on it. However, it is a new stick that can be used against foreigner employers, especially if you fire her and I won’t say anything more about that given the abundantly fair treatment given “rich” foreigners when up against “poor” locals in the legal system. I am strongly considering recommending to friends coming here not to hire maids unless they are close family, but in that case she won’t really be a maid in terms of job expectations. If you want a helper, maybe it is best to stay away from the kasambayan system altogether.


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    Thank you for your sound advice. I just don’t want to go through the paperwork of registering as an employer etc.. If it becomes an issue I will simply decline to enrich the local economy and do the work myself, as in the States.


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    Maybe not, BUT, everyone we talked to knew about it. Their husbands know too. One part of the law states that they must have communication ability with family so the bana told the asawa to ask us to get her a cellphone, which I did, hehe. Word gets around. They know the law and anecdotally at least, what it allows them to have. Sorry, but just because they may be under-educated does not mean they are stupid.


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    Nice one liner, but,
    it’s not a question of money.


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    Agreed, just because I don't know quantum mechanics and particle physics doesn't make me stupid either. :wink:
     
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