Covid-19 Opinion

got it now - this virus is a cooperation between USA and China - thank you so much for 3,7M $ in 2015
https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-research-to-wuhan/
and this article is from the year 2013 (!), when Chinese and US scientists were manipulating that virus
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12711

 

I wish the US (my country) had universal coverage and it would be quite possible if employer paid insurance (useless when you lose your job) were diverted to taxes paid to the US government as insurer, that included the whole population as the risk pool. The problem is politicians there who receive campaign contributions from insurance and pharmaceutical companies, ie who do not want to go out of business. Health insurers have no business being a part of this process; the only way for their shareholders to profit is to charge more while reducing care. Plus they charge high administrative costs as an unnecessary middleman and roadblock to cheaper care. One would think that the Democratic Party in the US would push universal health care, which would almost guarantee election victories in my opinion (though they are not willing to risk possible loss of campaign funds). But democrat Bernie Sanders who pushed “medicare for all” was sidelined by the party and replaced with Biden whose campaign relies on contributions from insurance companies. Biden of course rejects medicare for all. It is a shame and something must be done about it. At least the current administration will have government pay for all COVID19 cases (not pushed by the party of the working people!) but that is a small drop in the bucket, especially because by the numbers, COVID19 is not that expensive because, in spite of the extensive fear porn raised by the media, COVID cases are a relatively low occurrence over the entire population. The US desperately needs REAL campaign finance reform.


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my point was about the fact that
- US government is financing a virology lab in China with 3,7m $
- US scientists take research and manipulate a virus they found on bats together with Chinese scientists.
I am quite sure that the majority of American voters doesn't know that.
It might change the tone of discussion about the virus and it's origin if people would be informed better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...s-wuhan-virology-labs-long-history-scientific

 

No, this conspiracy theory is sometimes mentioned in the US news. Most people have heard these ravings just as they have heard about UFO’s and little green mensevretlymeeying with President Trump. American, European and other research organizations have funded studies in the Wuhan lab; it is common to pay for research and it is quite a prominent facility. There are laws about transporting bio materials and a few people were caught doing that but such material did not include bio weapons. They break the law to expedite their work. It is not common for foreign researchers to pay for bioweapons development or viruses that cause pandemics; they are usually trying to formulate new vaccines and the like for useful and peaceful purposes. A few nutbags buy into the conspiracy theories you are implying but not many, even the anti-Trump news media. The Chinese have also funded studies in the US and other locations sophisticated enough to have level 4 security bio-labs. Not many if those exist in the world. Most people do not believe that China or anybody else intentionally released a virus to take over the world, or reduce the population of a new world order lol. Such people need to be locked up with the people who have been accosted by aliens from Area 52 while sleeping. And Bill Gates is not trying to create demand for a vaccine so he can plant microchips into everyone. And that is not the mark of the beast. Lol.


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This was not my point. I have not mentioned one of all these conspiracy theories that you brought up. In fact, I find it more scary that there is NOT a conspiracy because these people from scientists to presidents find it normal to manipulate viruses, research on bioweapons etc - don't we humans have better options to create a human world? I do not need to waste my time with area 52 stories, it's horrible enough what is going on on the surface.

 

You said American scientists were funding virus research, American scientists worked with Chinese researchers together on virus research in ways the people were not aware of. Not true...you didn’t understand what I said was the reasons they do this was not bio weapons development and that such research for benevolent was common. In fact, I’m still not sure if you think benevolent virus research is possible with your emphasis on the conspiratorial model; bio weapons. Saying as you do that we worked with the Chinese to develop actual bio-weapons (ie your ‘factual’ reference to “scientists who find it normal to manipulate viruses, bio weapons etc., your words) is truly up there with Area 51. IF there had never been US and foreign-funded benevolent virus research performed in so-called bio labs l (separate from anybody who develops bio weapons), there would have never been vaccines developed for the small pox virus which killed 33% of those infected or for polio which devastated many lives. The bat virus like COVID19 or whatever you prefer to call it, Sars1, swine flu, mers and future will will always be out there anew and the more we know in advance, the better. Your reference to COVID’s possible “creation” in a virus lab is not founded scientifically. Nature likely created it based on researcher examination of its original genome, wherever it was released, which may or may not have been in a lab (accidentally) Furthermore it will take more work in virus labs to find a vaccine for this menace. But to position this as something the US people are unaware of and going unnoticed in some secretive manner by American and/or Chinese researchers possibly creating bio weapons is conspiracy THEORY and it is wrong.


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