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  1. Rye83

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    They ran mock tests with chemicals or biological agents that were inert to see how such a weapon would be used against the American population, which I would argue, were mostly for preventative and defensive measures...not "the US governments tested their bioweapon creations on their own population". I'm not questioning the source because the source said no such thing, I'm disagreeing with the very false statement that the US government tested biological weapons against their own people. Note: I'm not saying these tests were ethical or should have ever been carried out on the public, just that there were no "bioweapons" used during them.
     
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    I honor that you defend your country but there is a strange potential to do strange things in US; you surely heard about MK Ultra
    https://www.history.com/mkultra-operation-midnight-climax-cia-lsd-experiments
    which was also done with the help of United States Army Biological Warfare Laboratories. We might believe they stopped but Victor Marchetti, who had held several positions at the CIA before resigning in 1969 stated in 1992 that the CIA routinely conducted disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. He called the claim that the program had been abandoned a cover story.
    same might be true for the bioweapon research, I quote from Wiki:
    "After Nixon declared an end to the U.S. bio-weapons program, debate in the Army centered around whether or not toxin weapons were included in the president's declaration.[29] Following Nixon's November 1969 order, scientists at Fort Detrick worked on one toxin, Staphylococcus enterotoxin type B (SEB), for several more months.[29] Nixon ended the debate when he added toxins to the bio-weapons ban in February 1970.[27] The U.S. also ran a series of experiments with anthrax, code named Project Bacchus, Project Clear Vision and Project Jefferson in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

    In recent years certain critics have claimed the U.S. stance on biological warfare and the use of biological agents has differed from historical interpretations of the BWC.[76] For example, it is said that the U.S. now maintains that the Article I of the BWC (which explicitly bans bio-weapons), does not apply to "non-lethal" biological agents.[76] Previous interpretation was stated to be in line with a definition laid out in Public Law 101-298, the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989.[77] That law defined a biological agent as:[77]

    any micro-organism, virus, infectious substance, or biological product that may be engineered as a result of biotechnology, or any naturally occurring or bioengineered component of any such microorganism, virus, infectious substance, or biological product, capable of causing death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism; deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or material of any kind ...

    According to the Federation of American Scientists, U.S. work on non-lethal agents exceeds limitations in the BWC"
    sorry, too much quarantine time for esearch :-)
     
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    Your previous sources did not say that any of the tests did those things. Some claimed it but none proved it.

    Project Bacchus:
    "During the two-year simulation, the facility was constructed, and successfully produced an anthrax-like bacterium."

    Did this "anthrax-like bacterium" cause "death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism" or was it manufactured in a way so that it was incapable of multiplying/reproducing or causing any harm?

    Now your turn to ignore these questions here and shift the goal posts.
     
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    I cannot answer you this particular question because I was not personally involved in that project. To answer this more general and coming back a little bit more to the topic of this thread; I would say wherever humans try to do something, sh*t happens, sooner or later. I know for sure I do not trust these guys in camouflage and also not the ones with their lab coats. They surely do not tell us all about there experiments, and they will not tell us if something went wrong with these. Neither will our governments. And after the bodycount, it surely was nobodys fault. Or the Russians. Or the Chinese. This is not paranoid and has nothing to do with conspiracy; I brought enough historical examples now and we all know how often they lied to us already. And don't worry, it is not only about US.
     
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    Such mind control conspiracies is the reason that we have developed tin-alloy hats; after ULTRA they moved onto the HAARP radio beaming project in Alaska and now 5G. The regular guy just can’t win.

    Sorry, don’t get angry. I couldn’t resist.

    Where technology exists so does suspicion of evil by people who do not understand it. Governments and industry have not done a good job at re-assuring the public that alleged projects like MK Ultra, majestic 12 were even real or not and if they are, that their research was not intended for mass mind control or whatever. By being largely silent, they contribute to the formation of these theories. I understand you are in the middle of research about these projects and commend you for not being brain dead about the world around you. Please be open to the fact that the research conducted in free societies will most often have been shown to have benign intent, such as bio lab research that developed the polio and smallpox vaccines which have had Ana big life extending consequences for the entire globe. Too bad sophisticated bio labs weren’t around during the Spanish Flu pandemic or for that matter, the bubonic plague. I believe that in terms of disease, technology had vastly improved our lives and will continue to do so in the future. Cheers!


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    I agree with you, but unfortunately, every coin has 2 sides. both sides are well documented, no need for more debate about the good or the bad aspects. at least, everything depends on the wisdom of our leaders and our trust to them:
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    https://futurism.com/neoscope/trump-suggests-injecting-patients-disinfectant-uv-light
     
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    I'm sure (please don't analyse that) that both the US and China are both working on bio/chemical weaponry independently. The only difference between the two governments is that the US are better at 'cleaning up' the truth. They have to be without the media under control. Both are equally dangerous and either could lead us into Armageddon, with my money being on the good 'ole US of A.
     
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