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  1. djfinn6230

    djfinn6230 DI Senior Member

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    Not a fan, eh?


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    Of the system and government, no. Haven't met many US citizens, although the ones I have met have generally been polite, if a little humourless. The book 'Why Do People Hate America' is an enlightening read and for me at least, helps confirm my thoughts that there are no 'good guys' and 'bad guys' when it comes to governments, just bad and worse. From 'my sphere of knowledge' (again, not for analysis please), we have as much to fear from the US government/system as some of the so called 'rogue' nations - you know, the ones that mainly choose not to mess in other nations' affairs and then try to cover up their misdemeanours ( and I acknowledge UK complicity in some of that too - for 'bending the knee' to the US).
     
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    Having grown up in a family of southern Irish background I must confess that I learned at an early age the real consequences of oppression of a dominant foreign government implementing its doctrine and colonial mastery on a vulnerable people. Fortunately the Irish won their independence, actually more solidified now by UK’s rather xenophobic Brexit and Ireland’s remaining solidly in the EU. The American people by and large are not aware of such things and don’t really care, as I don’t care that much really, being second generation. My 1st generation father did care, long passed away and who fought in World War II and he had about the same impression about your part of the world as you do ours’ at the present time. That’s how it goes I guess; what goes around comes around as they say.


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    I agree with all of that.
     
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    IMHO, in hindsight, the ECQ was necessary. My family and I are safe. The biggest perturbations (pain in the @ss) to me are the agony going through the Dumaguete checkpoint and prohibition. Things like no haircut or my teeth getting as yellow as the grass are really “who cares” issues.
    So now pull the trigger today and lets get on with whatever the new norm is going to be.
     
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    Glad you young guys could get through the dgte checkpoint So fortunate!


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    IMHO, in hindsight, the ECQ was necessary. My family and I are safe. The biggest perturbations are the pain going through the Dunaguete checkpont
     
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    I wish I was a young guy (sr. citizen for too many yrs). Actually, my wife was driving and told the checkpoint we were going to the bank, when he asked (truth). No problem at the bank.
     
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    My biggest problem is the arbitrarily imposed elder age limit for going into the city and even the barangay. Each EO copies the other without much thought. Somebody came up with the idea that this was necessary for 65+ and everyone copied it. It continues into GCQ at the lower 60+ (getting closer to impacting you yet?) I know of no other countries that do this because I those countries elders gotta get food and go to the atm machines too. 60+ (revised LOWER age limit likely copied and recopied by typo) already KNOW they must take extra protection and only go out when absolutely necessary; they will if they want to live. The newer rules even ban people with risk factors from going out. Not sure how to enforce that since risk factors are not always visible, although obese people could be quickly identified and arrested for their own good I suppose lol. I suspect the elder ban may be based upon local Filipino culture where family and relatives are available and it can be practical for them. But no thought about the retired expats who didn’t marry a much younger bride or whose helpers went home for the duration in most cases. When PRA reopens, I plan to bring this up as I suspect that many future PRA retirees, concerned about this practice during the imminent future seasonal infection peaks, may choose places where they will not likely be locked down directly due to age; instead they may prefer places where expat elders can get medicine and money, following social distancing. In my case, “home” is what the wife and I are thinking. I am going to make a real big deal about this to PRA SRRV when they reopen; at least we have our SRRV deposits as some minimal leverage. I know, don’t let the swinging doors hit you on the way out lol. Also I hear what you say, Pat, about the success of ECQ, but I am not that sure if the ECQ had any significant effect one way or the other. Not many cases here but then again, there are many places where it is not so successful, ie in the NCR region (according to IATF) which has similar ECQ rules, so, does it really make that much of a difference? Any answer is just a guess. And what does the no-swimming, alcohol ban, wearing masks while driving, confiscating motor vehicles with no OR, charges when no DL really accomplish to reduce infections? Every provincial EO seems to copy the NCR EO boilerplate but this is not NCR. I suspect what had a major positive effect was travel ban between provinces, not these other rules. Just another opinion.

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    I live in Alfonso near Tagaytay. Being in Cavite we are still under ECQ but there is no age restrictions on travel, as a matter of fact seniors are allowed to have a driver to take them where needed in our area. We are only supposed to go to the supermarket nearest us, however if you show up at a roadblock with a reason to go further, for instance a prescription for a drugstore or to visit a doctor they will let you through politely. At least that has been my experience.

    We have been supplied with way more rice than we can eat as well as frozen fish and loads of hotdogs. Trucks come by every few days house to house to distribute it. Our housing area is well to do by local standards but the attitude seems to be giving everyone the same. All though we don't need the help I do appreciate it.
     
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