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What Have You Got to Lose? China, Taiwan & Japan Need US.

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by shakey, May 26, 2020.

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  1. shakey

    shakey DI Member Veteran Navy

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    The Philippine government has approved that those in the Philippines may volunteer as subjects in Clinical Trials of Covid-19 vaccines in one of 12 Philippine approved hospitals. Phase 1 is for safety and efficacy to see if side effects make you sick and if the vaccine makes your body produce Covid-19 immunity.

    One of the Chinese pharma companies and university are from the birthplace of Covid-19, Wuhan China. It is alleged they should know more than others about its origin and how to stop it.

    Here is the Rappler article giving the details.

    WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO LOSE....OUR LIVES!

    shakey aka John
     
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  2. PatO

    PatO DI Forum Luminary Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer Veteran Marines

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    Can I get a guarantee of 20 virgins if I don’t survive or 2 or 3 if I do?
     
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    you_have_been_removed DI Forum Adept

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    The Chinese excuse for not using Chinese guinea pigs, is that they no one there has the virus, a few RMB has changed hands again
     
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    jimeve DI Forum Luminary Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer Veteran Army

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    You can have 72 virgins if you don't survive, it's only fair.
     
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  5. Show Pony

    Show Pony DI Forum Patron Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer

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    A vaccine is not a treatment for someone that has the virus.
    As far as I know it's function is to produce antibodies so a person's body can fight the virus.
     
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  6. SkipJack

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    Yes, but the large scale stage three trial needs to be done in an area where people have the potential to be infected by the virus. This way it can be determined that the antibodies were effective in stopping infection.

    For this reason it cannot be done in China.
     
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    eskirvin DI Forum Adept Blood Donor Veteran Navy

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    That's true, but do remember that in some cases they've seen repeat infections. Perhaps repeated vaccines can grant immunity where a one shot dose can't? Perhaps our resident virologist can chime in :-)
     
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  8. Show Pony

    Show Pony DI Forum Patron Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer

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    I agree with what you are saying.

    What You Have Been removed said:
    That is not quite right. If no one has the virus then there are lots of people available. That is what I was replying to.

    I agree the vaccine needs to be tested on people that do not have the virus.

    China and Taiwan could use their own citizens if they really want to do that. Surely they have people that have not been infected.
    All they need to do is;
    1) find someone that has not been infected (has no antibodies).
    2) Inject the wonder vaccine.
    3) Test for the development of antibodies.
    4) Expose them to the virus and observe no illness.
    5) market their vaccine
    6) start counting their money.

    According to Rappler the clinical trials will be held at 12 hospitals. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a large trial or not.

    Running their trials outside of China might lend some credibility to their experiment.
     
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    I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories but China is trying REALLY hard to get me to.
     
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    SmartKoala DI Junior Member Veteran Army

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    I am not a medical doctor, but most of the vaccinations are USELESS and very dangerous to our bodies. - And I'm not gonna take any of them anymore! FYI: our daughter is autistic and the metals (e.g. aluminum) they add to the vaccines really help in this... Not to mention the extractions of human fetuses and whatever else they put into it. ENJOY!!
     
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