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It is now NOT your fathers Covid... Mask up !!

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by danbandanna, Jul 7, 2020.

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  1. Rye83

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    Nice anecdotal religious story but completely absent of any relevant medical history. Was he obese? Smoker? Drinker? Diabetic? Heart/cardiovascular issues? Just because you are young doesn't mean you are healthy. I would like more statistics on young healthy individuals becoming gravely ill from COVID-19. Not anecdotal stories. Yes, a percentage of young healthy individuals will become sick, but what percentage is that?
     
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    Based on this forum alone, I don't think we would all come to the same conclusion. LOL
     
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    My main point is how long the patient stayed in the hospital consuming hospital resources. (93 days) If patients either died or recovered quickly the impact to the healthcare system would be much smaller.

    With these long intensive care hospital stays it only takes a few COVID cases to clog up the system and deprive other health conditions the resources they need. Cancer, heart attack, etc.
     
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    I can't even imagine what a 93 day stay in a US hospital (much of it in an ICU) would cost. I sure hope he has insurance. At $5000/day it's almost half a million.
     
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    "Yes, a percentage of young healthy individuals will become sick, but what percentage is that?"

    It's high time to stop playing a stupid numbers (or percentages) game. This pandemic is all about peoples' health and nothing else, unless you are willing to put a pricetag one some individuals' life. 'Only worth X US dollars, so not worthy of treatment' as a triage parameter. Everybody (no exceptions!!) must wear a facemask when outside the house, not only to prevent him/her of becoming infected, but even more to prevent infecting others if the person involved happens to be asymptomatic or does not suffer any effects. Keep a safe distance from one another, just in case. All logical things that anyone with an IQ higher than that of an amoebae can understand. And yes, you may interpret it as an infringement on your civil rights, but the common good far exceeds the rights of any individual in my view. If local authorities would have the guts (like for instance in Belgium) and fine people that do not comply, even better. Communist? BS! Totalitarian? BS! For the younger ones there are even more worrying issues at play: This morning a cardiologist in the US was interviewed and he stated his amazement about the fact that although younger people did not require ICU treatment or succumbed, they did show significant after effects when recovered from the virus: Shortness of breath, affected liver, kidney, stomach, and other organs and clotting of the blood causing strokes and heart attacks. No, I don't have statistics to support this and I will not even search for such info. When interested, Google away. All in all, Governments should be as strict as possible when trying to control this outbreak and stop pussyfooting around. Of course the economy is important, but dollars, euro's, yen and whatever should not be the driving factor in the decision-making process. Public heath comes first at all cost.
     
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    Ah yes, let's ignore facts and statistics and make decisions based off of emotions. This is how we should make all decisions in life.
     
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    Rye, I think you are again speaking from a position of '....this does not apply to me as I'm younger than most here.' Why not think about the fact that the younger generation are the majority of asymptomatic virus carriers? Does your self-interested view stretch beyond even that conception?
     
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    look, i am not trying to pick a fight with anyone. we are all entitled to our opinions. with regard to covid it is so difficult because of the inadequacy and inconsistency of information regarding this disease. i will say i will be 78 in september, i spent my while life working in healthcare and retired as a registered nurse when i was 71. i have seen death in every form from trauma to chronic disease. i agree with Rye's position on this as best as i can tell. should we fight back against covid? yes of course we should. but we have to keep an overall perspective on this and all other threats. father time will claim us all and there is nothing to prevent that. if its not covid then it will be something else. its true that those of us who are older are closer to that outcome, most likely, than Rye, but his point of view should be argued on its merits (or lack thereof). for me it is a simple fact that the strength of the US is its economy. that is where the money comes from for defense against all invaders, human or viral. if we shut down and destroy our economy then where do the resources come from to fight the next battle? the US just spent three trillion dollars in the hopes that grandma will die next week and not this week. its insane!! the people who wear masks are not all going to heaven and those who don't are not all going to hell. there are many experts on both sides of that question and many experts who have changed sides. but i know that we will lose if we all dig foxholes and throw grenades at each other. only the next disease will win.
     
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    I don't disagree with any of that and my point was much more simplistic: younger people should not think that they are without any responsibility in society and if a few old folks die, well that's OK. That may be a little exaggerated, but it's the message I've taken from a number of Rye's comments which seem a little bit like the bravado of youth (views he is perfectly entitled to have). Just giving a push-back argument. My point was nothing to do with the US economy, an entity I could not care less about.
     
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    I'm asking for numbers and statistically likely outcomes for age groups, not pleas to emotion, anecdotal evidence (logical fallacies) and decisions based off of fear. Life is not priceless, every single thing people do comes with a risk. Walking, working out in the gym, drinking water, eating food, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, taking illicit drugs, driving, flying, jumping out of a plane, mountain climbing, etc...people have died doing all of these things. Since no activity has infinite risk or reward we constantly weigh the pros and cons of everything we do. This COVID-19 thing is no different for me.

    With the information currently out there this disease just isn't that concerning to me. Young healthy individuals (the category I am in) just are not very likely to become seriously ill or die from it. My parents/grandparents/elderly family members are not here and there are no elderly people regularly within 5 meters of me unless they have made the decision to approach me. I have enough liquid assets to last me several years, the VA is still writing me checks, companies are still paying dividends and my long-term growth/retirement investments are recovering quickly. So please tell me why I should care about any of this? Nobody has yet to provide anything other than emotional replies, anecdotal evidence, speculative opinions and insults when I ask for more statistics or sources. I have stopped even trying to look for accurate and reliable information from the media or on this forum, since just about everything being put out there is just based off of fear, faulty logic, complete ignorance or for political gain.

    Do I wear a mask when around other people? Yes. Do I wear one when nobody is around me? Absolutely not. I don't refuse or object to temperature checks, hand washing or contact tracing at public places. I stay home for the most part and only go out for what I decide is essential for my own wellbeing. That's about all you are going to get from me. I'm going to carry on with my life and continue to be indifferent to yours, and everyone else's, lives, problems and personal risk evaluations like I did before all this started.
     
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