So what about 2021 then?

I wouldn't hold your breath....

 

2022 might be OK. The vaccine distribution starts here in February coming from several sources. IATF is so committed to getting everyone vaccinated that people will not be allowed to choose the vaccine supplier. Personally I think they are all reasonably safe and by 2022 the country may well have herd immunity and I suspect your country will too.


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Our plans for Christmas 2020 was to come to Valencia to stay, and sort of have Chiang mai Thailand as a plan B.

As much as I want to move and retire Im not doing it if I cannot get back to Oz easy, preferably with no quarantine. It could be awhile.

 

You are correct - in spite of what was posted here by a member saying ALL the vaccines are "reasonably safe", he does not have even a shred of evidence. The vaccines have not been as fully tested, over a long period, as is normal protocol and some nasty side-effects have already been experienced even though they have been used only a short time.

Secondly, that member also says "by 2022 the country may well have herd immunity" in spite of the media reports (recently posted on this Forum) which state the government itself does not think enough vaccinations will take place for herd immunity to be achieved within 4 to 5 years.

Then we have the issue of the virus mutating too far away from the vaccine's immunity creation for the current vaccines being usable for 4 to 5 years (perhaps far less).

 

This can be interpreted two ways - did you mean that they don't wear masks, so they got infected and became zombies? Or that zombies don't have to wear masks? Just interested.

P.S. A relative in Manila was told yesterday that zombies are dropping onto roofs from helicopters - I think she believes it.

 

Well best of luck. We too wish to travel but back to the US for a visit in 2021 and be able to return. Hopefully by then they will have instituted something like a vaccine passport or certificate that allows travel between countries; right now the Philippines still requires a quarantine even if one has received the vaccine. That is understandable right now because they are not yet set-up to accept vaccine certificates or vaccine passports right now. For the ability to travel, the temporary side effects (if any, most people I know who had did not report anything more than the usual temporary pain at the injection site) are a small price to pay; for sure I can understand why someone might fear that in spite of 10’s of thousands of test subjects for each vaccine manufacturer but then again, trying to leaf a life of zero risk is not reasonable either. So maybe near the end of the coming year most people will be able to lead normal lives again without these draconian restrictions that we hope the vaccine will make into history.


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I believe the best you can do right now as far as travel goes is site tight, don't make any set plans and go with the flow. It is what it is.

Lots of great travel deals going on.....man you would have to be nuts to book a holiday deal unless it was 100% cash refundable. Even then you have the chance of the company folding and the money is gone forever.

 

I totally agree with you man! Better safe than sorry.

 

agree, better safe than sorry but I mean in the sense of getting vaccinated as soon as available.


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