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  1. Firefly44

    Firefly44 DI Forum Adept

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    Sad to post that this ugly Virus is raising its profile. With all the travellers amongst populations this could so easily become a global threat. We most know the world is over populated and well ! lets hope we are not about to be plagued.

    BBC News - Ebola crisis: Virus spreading too fast, says WHO
     
  2. Gabrielle_K

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    Ahm, well a couple Americans with Ebola are on their way to Atlanta..

    Sounds like the beginning of one of those epidemic movies
     
  3. PatO

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    Let's wait and see what is learned from this. CNN showed the exposure protection preparations taking place. Given Ebola is said to be non-airborne, the experts may glean enough to help find a cure or at least away to limit the spreading of this horrible illness.
     
  4. Rye83

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    I'm sure it will be super high tech....such as washing your hands.
     
  5. oztony

    oztony DI Senior Member Blood Donor

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    There seems to be conflicting stories about the unsuredness of the actual origin of this disease , but I remember seeing an interview with an English professor that went to west Africa to investigate the original outbreak in 197.....(something) when he was a young doctor .
    They tracked it to one person who had bought some meat at the local market and had infected himself while preparing the meat at his home , he went to the local hospital to receive treatment but later died , then the infection started spreading because the hospital had a total of 4 syringes which were used in a totally unsafe shared fashion for all purposes , one of the syringes had been used on the original ebola infectee .
    Still quite disturbing how it goes away and then re-emerges , and coming from Africa it is like a nasty cousin to aids that kills quicker.

    For those that have ever thought of getting a nice cute monkey here in the phils read the below info


    It was not until 1989, and the third outbreak of Ebola, that experienced researches identified strains of the virus in infected monkeys imported from the Philippines. In 1994, a female ethologist performed a necropsy on a dead chimpanzee and accidentally infected herself.

    Read more at Ebola 2014: The Deadliest Outbreak of the Virus in History
     
  6. simple mind

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    I have the book from "Richard Preston" "The Hot Zone", it's the story of the emergence of Ebola in Africa and the story of the one "oztony" mentions "It was not until 1989, and the third outbreak of Ebola, that experienced researches identified strains of the virus in infected monkeys imported from the Philippines. In 1994, a female ethologist performed a necropsy on a dead chimpanzee and accidentally infected herself."

    The timetable in the book says that the first case was a French guy "Charles Monet" living on the premises of a sugar mill by himself along the Nzoia River within sight of Mount Elgon in Western Kenia, in the summer of 1979 he investigated a cave on Mount Elgon together with a friend, the Kitum Cave is quite large and is visited by elephants that lick the minerals in the cave, it is believed that he infected himself there but by later expeditions nothing was ever found of any Ebola Virus...

    There are three Ebola strains as of now, "Marburg" that was discovered in Germany by the "Behring Works" and in 1967, they had one death by a worker that cleaned monkey cages, then ther are "Ebola Zaire" and "Ebola Sudan", the most deathly one is "Ebola Zaire" with a kill rate of 90% ones infected...

    The thing is deathly and scary for sure BUT it's not as bad as they(CNN,BBC etc.)make it look, if this get's out of control, than that's because somebody want's to spread it, it is only transfareable by direct contact with body fluids that need to reach the eyes, nose(deep inside), wounds, genitals, etc. one can not get infected trough the intact skin...

    Who is Charles Monet

    Wait and see case, I guess, not much else one can do...
     
  7. Rye83

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    I've had a cute monkey in the Philippines for almost two years and I have yet to contract Ebola or AIDS from it. Go figure. And 1989? I'm quite sure they have came up with some better stuff to scare the public since then.

    First, Chimpanzees aren't monkeys. Second I am unaware of them living in the Philippines. However, I will take note to never do a necropsy on a primate. (why would any pet owner do that?) Monkeys have their challenges and dangers as pets.....Ebola and AIDS aren't of any concern though. Monkeys bite and rip your hair out, apes bite and rip your face off.
     
  8. oztony

    oztony DI Senior Member Blood Donor

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    Apologies , I suppose it was ridiculous to think that anyone would find it interesting that monkeys from the Philippines were identified with strains of the virus .


    I don't see anywhere in that sentence where it says the word philipinnes and chimpanzee together , the words are in the same paragraph , but not the same sentence , but I suppose if I was looking to pick the sh*t out of everything I could possibly make that mistake as well , I think the author of the article in the link I attached was referring or relating 2 different events to the family of primates.:D
     
  9. tlrtraveler

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    Actually, the method used in the field is not disimilar to that---it is spraying the hazmat suit with bleach prior to disrobing and using bleach solution on any part possibly in contact with the virus. The book simple mind suggested is an excellent read and a chilling description of the virulence of the virus. Very scary stuff---especially considering Africa's degree of medical sophistication.




     
  10. Rye83

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    Strains of the virus perhaps, but no need to go out trying to scare people when there is no need for it.

    1989-1990: High mortality among cynomolgus macaques in a primate facility responsible for exporting animals in the USA. Three workers in the animal facility developed antibodies but did not get sick.

    1996: REBOV was identified in a monkey export facility in the Philippines. No human infections were identified.

    2006: Outbreak in the Philippines and the first known occurrence of REBOV in pigs. Strain closely similar to earlier strains. Six workers from the pig farm and slaughterhouse developed antibodies but did not become sick. (should we all be scared of pigs now? The answer is "no" in case anyone had to think about it)

    Note: all of these monkeys came from the SAME research facility, not from the wild. Of the 9 reported human incidents in the Philippines of Ebola 6 were from pigs and 3 were from monkeys. None of which even showed so much as a stuffy nose. The statement "For those that have ever thought of getting a nice cute monkey here in the phils read the below info" was meant to bring fear. It was extremely misleading. Yes, a strain killed many monkeys in 1989. No, the strain was not dangerous to humans. Every case I find where a research monkey from the Philippines infected a human there is no sickness or death reported. Trying to imply that you could possibly get sick and die of Ebola from one is purely unfounded scientifically.

    Now you want to know why Africans die from this crap?

    Idiotically reusing needles (but where did it start? Read further down):
    1976: Occurred in Yambuku and surrounding area. Disease was spread by close personal contact and by use of contaminated needles and syringes in hospitals/clinics. This outbreak was the first recognition of the disease.

    Cutting open dead apes.
    1995: Scientist became ill after conducting an necropsy on a wild chimpanzee in the Tai Forest. The patient was treated in Switzerland. (Still 100 percent survival rate outside of Africa.)

    From the forest eh? Maybe it has something to do with the next one.
    1995: Occurred in Kikwit and surrounding area. Traced to index case-patient who worked in forest adjoining the city. Epidemic spread through families and hospitals.

    I'm betting the guy before did this.
    1996: Occurred in Mayibout area. A chimpanzee found dead in the forest was eaten by people hunting for food. Nineteen people who were involved in the butchery of the animal became ill; other cases occurred in family members.

    Probably ate that one too.
    1996: Occurred in Booué area with transport of patients to Libreville. Index case-patient was a hunter who lived in a forest camp. Disease was spread by close contact with infected persons. A dead chimpanzee found in the forest at the time was determined to be infected.

    So I agree with your sentence warning about the chimpanzee, (my apologies for picking at that). Africans don't learn, stop eating chimps! Nothing good can come from that. I'm curious what the mortality rate would be with western medicine and competent doctors (so far we have a 100 percent survival rate, thank you Switzerland). I suspect it would be about the same as the flu virus. The only money I think should be spent on this virus is making sure it stays contained in Africa. Let us spend our own money on our own diseases.
     
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