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No indictment for officer in Brown shooting

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  1. Rye83

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-deliberations/19474907/

    I wonder if they realize what the consequence for their son's actions of attacking a police office is? He was shot inside the police car. Why was he reaching into the police car? I have to believe the police officer on this one. Blood results show he was high and video evidence showed that he had just committed a strong arm robbery moments before the confrontation with the police officer (I'm sure he thought he was getting busted for his crimes and decided to fight instead of facing the consequences for his actions). Do the parents care about the consequences for those actions?

    If you attack a police officer....or really anyone armed with a firearm.....you should expect to take a bullet. (Remember this guy was what, 6'5" and almost 300 pounds) When someone that size attacks me I will shoot first and ask questions later.
     
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    I would have liked to have your post translated to one of the native languages but was told the word "consequences" is not in vocabularies of most the the Filipino dialects. I refused to let the interpreter use the word "denial". :wink:
     
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    Like "NORMAL" let anyone try and determine/define either that or "DENIAL" two words that seem to be so very misunderstood here OR... is it just me?

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    When I was discharged from the military, I came oh so close to the city of Covina California hiring me and sending me to the Los Angeles County Police Academy. That didn't quite work out but I wonder what kind of training I would have received to counter a 6'5" 300 lb. guy charging at me? Would not have mattered, my marine corps experience would have taken control and I would have shot the dude, regardless of race, color, or religion. Personally, I am happy the officer was not found guilty by the grand jury.
     
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    Right On, tough guys! But then, I'm not trying to be popular here. Something must be done about unarmed kids committing suicide by challenging armed police.

    Mickey Brown was having a bad kid day. If Wilson had let him reach his destination still walking in the street this wouldn't be news. Is 'failure to obey' now grounds for summary execution? Like for the 12-year old in a park with a toy gun? And the kid playing in a toy department also gunned down recently?

    I think 'Serve and Protect' expecially applies to these kids. These 'militarized' police are a threat to all of us. As kid wandering the neighborhood with a BB gun, a 22, a shotgun, I never worried that some *hole cop would make his day with me.

    This ain't the America where I grew up or wanted to grow old in. Big Brother, KMA!
     
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    He was 18 years old, 6'5" and 300 pounds, hardly a "kid". I don't understand why it's so hard for so many people to just follow orders given by the police. He took it further than not obeying the orders of a police officer by attacking a police officer. His "bad kid day" is better labeled as thuggish behavior....thuggish behavior will get you killed. I have no problem with Brown not walking around today. I'm sure you would have a different opinion if he was up in your face ready to fight.

    The kid that had the toy gun was waving around an unmarked bb gun in a public area. The police told him to put the gun down, he decided to pull it out and start aiming at people. Are the police supposed to wait until the kid shoots what could be a real gun before taking action? Are they supposed to be able to read minds and know the gun was a toy? They were working under the "serve and protect". I'm curious where the parents were during the 12 year old's idiotic behavior.

    It's very very simple: if the police tell you to do something DO IT! Deal with the legalities of their actions later. I have had several interactions with the police in my life and somehow I have managed to not get shot during any of those encounters. Blacks might think this is a miracle of white privilege but all it really is just the fact that I have the ability to shut up, follow directions and NOT resist arrest.

    I'm not saying there isn't police abuse. There certainly is, but this Brown shooting is not one of them. One thing I agree with the Brown family here is that every single police officer in the country should have a body camera on them at all times. However, blacks certainly aren't helping their cause by burning buildings, looting and popping off shots during their "protests". They need to figure out and deal with the fact that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of the crime in the US (and it's not them getting caught more often than other races). It's a complex problem that will have no simple solutions.
     
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    People are angry with the lack of indictment by the grand jury.
    Why?
    There has not been one complaint about the evidence presented and no one claims that evidence was suppressed.
    Reportedly there has been looting. Hundreds of pairs of Air Jordans, TV and microwave ovens but not one pair of work boots.

    Daanlungsod said "This ain't the America where I grew up or wanted to grow old in. Big Brother, KMA!"
    You probably grew up where people didn't attack cops.

    Where I grew up we did what the police said and complained later if the cop was off base.
     
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    The only thing I have heard people say is that he shouldn't have been shot because he was unarmed. But given then fact he was trying to become armed by attempting to take the police officer's gun I say the cop had every right to shoot him. The cop had every right to assume that any of the guys further aggression would also be an attempt to take his firearm (and likely use it to kill the officer) as well. If the guy hadn't gone for the gun I would say pepper spray or the tazer would have been called for, but the dipshit went for the officer's deadly weapon.

    Maybe after he got out of the vehicle he could have used less than lethal force but things had already escalated and I don't fault the police officer for using the gun.
     
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    When I was growing up and was an underage teen a-hole, I got a few well-deserved minor beatings from the local police who were tired of our group drinking and causing trouble. No one complained, stole any U.S. Keds sneakers, or set the paint store on fire. Btw, none of us talked back to the police.
     
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    The rioting and looting is deplorable. Unfortunate that the kids killed recently were Black and I'm sure no racism involved. Personally, many Blacks, Mexicans & Native Americans have gone far past halfway to reach out and befriend me so I try to see past the results of events like this.

    I'm honored to dissent. Tell the cops to eat another doughnut and let the children live. There's no terrorists here, no weapons and no shots fired by them. Just kids growing up in a difficult world. Or not. The cops are trained this way, the blame goes to the politicians. Wilson antagonized the kid when he should have been concerned with preserving the kids life. Can he face the parents with this excuse?

    I have kids these ages and don't want them threatened by these overzealous 'Public Safety' officials. I tell my kids to avoid any attention from them in fear of becoming candidates for their 'livelihood' programs.

    When someone invades your home at night I bet you'll defend the right to defend yourself. Too often it's a swat team with the wrong address and if you die defending your 'rights', then too bad, agree? It's also OK when they shoot your dog?

    I polled my family and the results are unanimous. As a Dad I couldn't be more proud!
     
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