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    Puerto Galera Philippines council ordains Dutch man ‘persona non grata’
    By Paghahatid • On May 30, 2015 • In In Puerto Galera, In the Philippines, On Mindoro Island In Puerto Galera, In the Philippines, On Mindoro Island council, Dutch, Expat, expatriate, facebook, Holland, Keese Koornstra, Mayor Hubbert Christopher Atienza Dolor, ordains, persona non grata, PGBTEA, puerto galera, tourism, tourist 0


    By Robert A. Evora | May. 30, 2015 at 12:01am

    PUERTO GALERA, Oriental Mindoro—A Dutch expatriate, who posted on his Facebook (FB) page pictures of uncollected plastic bags of garbage along a major shoreline here, was declared a “persona non grata” by the Sangguniang Bayan of this resort town Wednesday.

    Puerto Galera Philippines council ordains Dutch man persona non grata

    Looks like no more freedom of speech in any way in the ph for foreigners anymore! This is the second time I have heard this over the last couple of months, there was another guy who critisised the local tourism office a few months back who wrote a blog about his visits around the ph, he had the same crap dished out to him also.
     
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    At least this guy has some locals with a bit of common sense backing him up.
    The guy who talked smack about the immigration wasn't using his head. Of all the government offices to talk crap about that is probably the worst one to do it to.
     
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    SORRY....I do not see this as so much a "Freedom of Speech" issue as a bad manners issue.... We are guests in this country....if you do not like the way things are we can go someplace else..... it is NOT our job as guests to correct our host.... you would not tell your host his wife dresses like a wh*re....even if she did.... EVERYONE including the Filipinos knows this trash is wrong.... WHAT DID THE FOREIGNER INTEND TO ACCOMPLISH BY EMBARRASSING HIS HOST.... his actions were unnecessary and pointless....would accomplish NOTHING except to embarrass the Philippines..... a better approach might be to form a group of people....both foreign and Filipino and go clean up the mess.... a joint projects..... contact the local civic organizations like the Rotarians.....work WITH your host not embarrass your host...
     
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    I would agree if the hosts were being completely honest. However, most pictures taken of beaches to attract these "guests" look like this:
    puerto-galera-talipanan-beach3.jpg

    But reality, many times just out of view of that picture to attract tourists, is this:
    all-drains-lead-to-the-ocean.jpg

    You better believe you are going to have some pissed off tourists. When your "hosts" are lying to attract tourists and make money people SHOULD post the reality online to warn others. The reason this guy wasn't hit with a libel case was because his intentions were to warn others, not tarnish the image of the municipality.

    Also, I wouldn't consider everyone here as "guests". If you are married to a Filipina and here on a marriage visa you are no longer a guest in my book. Once someone gets any type of residence visa they are no longer there as a tourist (guest).

    I do agree that the guy was a bit naive to think he could post and say such things in a country with such thin egos, but that doesn't make what he did wrong.
     
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    Filipino pride. Anyone living here long enough, should know that Filipinos cannot take criticism, no matter how well intentioned.
     
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    If you are invited to dine with your "host", and your host gets a big piece of GREEN spinach in his teeth, and, every single time he opens his mouth this piece of crap ruins his smile -
    Well, do you tell him of this politely, or do you not let him know and just pretend it's not there? Even though everyone in the room can see it on his teethe except for the Host himself, there is a diplomatic way to approach this that will allow him to "save face".

    Praise in public but criticize in private. Allowing someone the "out" of "saving face" oftentimes will get the spinach off the Host's teeth AND the person doing the "calling out" will gain respect from the Host, too. This can come in handy as saved capital that can be spent at a later date for another time of "spinach in the teeth".

    Now I realize the Host may not give a d*mn. But at least you allowed him the option to "save face" first. When the Host realizes that spinach on the teeth makes him look bad, oftentimes this may be enough for the Host to make a clean sweep.

    Bitching about things serves no forward purpose. But bitching about something in a polite way and not personalizing it, PLUS offering a solution will work wonders.

    Be part of the solution - have a solution - and you'd be surprised at just how much more cooperation you can garner.

    Look for the "win-win".

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    I would love to agree but in 2016 you may change your mind on this a little. :wink:

    Just saying :pompus:

    JP :bag: :whistling:
     
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    I think the terms "guests" and "hosts" do not apply to countries as a whole. Nobody invited me to the Philippines.....they posted pictures online and said "look what we have", these were mostly lies (or more of an omission of the truth). Tourism is an industry, not a private abode. If an industry is making money off of lies then people should be warned about it before spending their money on in said industry.

    However, the Philippines lives, politically, in an alternate universe and the guy went about it the wrong way. He should have went to the Department of Health and asked what could have been done or presented a solution to the problem, not just thrown it up on social media in a seemingly self serving manner, attention getting manner. It seems to me the guy didn't want anything to do with helping clean up the place, he was calling on other to take action for his benefit. He doesn't seem to have any interest in being part of the community. I find these attitudes downright selfish and annoying. This whole persona non grata sh*t has to stop though. It is childish and makes the Philippines look bad. Persona non grata is supposed to be an action taken against unwelcome diplomats, not a catch all law to restrict freedom of speech and other basic human rights.
     
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    :wideyed: Seems it is a new word/phrase they have learned and will push it to the Limit as they have done with the Word, Lend :whistling:

    JP :bag: :banghead:
     
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    Any excuse to save face.
     
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