Paedophiles barred from Indonesia

Okay, apparently there has been more movement in this area than I thought.

Out of curiosity I did a pub search and found that a researcher did interviews and believes that more than 1 out of 5 children have been abused and that's probably conservative because of the nature of the problem. That's a lot of pedos. Killing them off would probably do wonders for our traffic problem in Dumaguete.

Most of this abuse comes from people the child knows, such as friends and family. When you're on your shooting spree, you can start with uncle Bob.

There seems to be some question about where the trauma develops. In interviews many abuse victims say that at the time the abuse wasn't traumatic. But nearly all say the experience affected their life for the worse. It's possible that shooting uncle Bob in front of the family would be more traumatic than the abuse.

Seems plausible. At 6 years old, "hold this for a minute" is outside the understanding of the child. If they don't understand what sex is, they won't immediately associate sex acts as evil. As they gain understanding of what happened they get the feelings of shame, confusion, etc.

Maybe better education at an early age would do well for prevention here. I think kids can get "don't talk to strangers" at a young age. They can probably get "don't touch the ugly" as well.

 

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You can't fix paedophilia. It can't be treated as a disease and those people can't be cured in most cases at least. Treated as a disease and sickness would just provide a justifiable defense "its not my fault, I can't help it" sort of crap yet these people can't be fixed for the vast majority. It often comes down to an absolute power both physically and mentally for those who have severe ego and self esteem issues who want to do these things and feel both physical and mental power while not feeling as the bad guy one would get from raping a normal aged adult or physically mature person. There is of course a lot more to it though. We also have some bizarre cases of where some individuals think their actions are actions of love and don't see what they are doing as bad but those cases are very rare overall.

We need to stop treating evil acts as a disease that we can cure because then we also absolve the person of their guilt at least in part along with create a plausible defense for the next act. Are certain races predisposed to violence and hate? Is a certain gender predisposed to sexual violence? Is a religious upbringing predisposed to certain criminal actions or lack there of? US federal data could be used to argue very reasonably that blacks are predisposed to criminal and violent tendencies. Further data could argue Muslims are predisposed to child rape. Hispanics are predisposed to crime. Males are predisposed to rape. Women are predisposed to marital fraud (defrauding the would be husband for financial benefits yet failing to fulfill her end of the contract).

Its time to stop making claims to remove someones guilt of a wrong they commit. If someone commits a bad act stop looking for excuses. Look at ways instead to protect future victims instead of ways to explain why a bad person did something bad or why they turned bad. Yes their father may have abandoned them, their mother may have been on the sauce and abusive, their priest may have molested them, their school teacher may have ridiculed them, they may have had no friends, they may have never learned a discipline and rewards.... its to late and you can't fix the world, you can just clean it up as best you can.

 

How will this address someone that just goes to Singapore first, then heads over to Indonesia on a quick boat ride?

 

I thought of giving my reply in two parts by first asking a question but I hate doing that.

Ok, what studies there have been often refer to a cycle of abuse. The abused often becomes the abuser in the next cycle. I'm sure you have heard of that? Todays pedophile represents the point of an inverted pyramid. If they molest two children and those two children each when they are grown molest two children...I'm sure you can tell the direction I'm going, even if you don't see my destination.

Let me ask a few more questions? How is Mad Cow disease controlled? The cattle with mad cows disease are segregated and destroyed. Not so? Are you seeing anymore headlines about mad cow disease?

Because of the psychological / generational nature of pedophilia, I have heard it called a sexually transmitted disease. I have no objections to someone trying to cure pedophiles as long as they are ones that walk in and seek help before sexually abusing children, but as any other disease we don't have a cure for, lets do what we know works. It really does work. It may not totally eradicate but it does keep the problem to low levels.

 

I did say over and out...but as it is warming up, I couldn't resist. Aquired brain injury or developmental retardation ( the PC word is "immaturity" or "delay") is not a disease, nor are human beings cows. I would recommend that the poster that likened humans to mad cows start eating them (Creutzfeld-Jacob Syndrome free of course). They obviously are the same.

Umpteen studies have linked the cycles of abuse to criminality. My Employer does not allow me to cut n paste links to journals and scientific research on this matter as normally they pay a fee to join such publications. So any Tom, Dick and Harry on sites like this is, given copyright laws, will face the The Journal of Modern Neurology/British Journal of Psychiatry haram. Sorry. But as a good starter, Michael Rutter's Isle of Wight longitudinal study in the late 60's-70's is a good robust start. It was a ground breaker and should be on google.

Concening the multiplier question, not all victims go on to become perps. And I made that clear in my last post. The ratio of victims female to male is approx 6:1, so hey boys, better watch out for those predatory females, especially if you are under 5, according to the wisdom here.

The point being, there are other factors at play. Serious, sustained mental, physical and sexual abuse seems to render males (over females) vulnerable to brain injury/retardation. We don't why yet, but I have my ideas. It is not medicalising things, nor letting perps go free, nor is it giving them a disease burden or excuse to paedophiles. A disease is something caught, either on the breeze or through exchange of fluids. It is not a sustained beating or buggery on multiple occasions at the age of 3 onwards. Our understanding of the brain is still in it's infancy. That being said we know enough know to understand that OFTEN perpetrators, those that do harm, have OFTEN been victims themselves. Being the victim OFTEN renders a developing brain at a disadvantage. Hey, who here would shoot a person who becomes blind or loses the ability to walk for whatever reason? Same-same according to the research...

Thanks all for reading,

C

 

If that blind person started walking around shooting a gun everywhere harming some and risking harm and death to others.... yes, yes I would shoot them. A blind person or someone who can't walk isn't hurting other people by there issues especially purposefully. The difference is once you commit a criminal and evil act there is no more being nice and trying to fix things. The focus then should always change into protecting the victim and future victims.

By your same logic I could use that on the statistics that show that blacks are more predisposed to crime due to race and then try and say its not their fault but the fact they are black? Statistics worldwide do show after all that blacks are more likely to commit crimes then whites in many countries. But the truth is what it really is isn't learning to *not be black* but to rise above such things to make a better neighborhood, country, world.

 

ChMacQueen makes a very good point about the blind and those who can not walk not harming others trying to equivocate (same same) what I said with saying I would kill them also is infantile and defamatory.

Same-same according to what research? Maybe you had better finish that thought? Or is it just the usual drivel?

I do like the way you write OFTEN multiple times, because the truth is undeniable. You actually agree with me about what is happening.

BTW, I'm waiting for Dave Houndriver to rail against your shouting.

In my post I said I had heard pedophilia likened to a sexually transmitted disease, I never said it was a sexually transmitted disease. Your post seems to seize on things that don't sound aesthetically pleasing to you. I would suggest that you focus on content. You obviously need a dictionary because you don't know the meaning of the word likened. I'm not going to link to the word likened because I'm not your nanny.

As for suggesting I eat people with Asperger syndrome, all I have to say is, I will decline as it hasn't worked out well for the natives of PNG. As for eating people without communicable diseases, all I have to ask is, "Is she pretty?"

 

Selective Mapping of Psychopathy and Externalizing to Dissociable Circuits for Inhibitory Self-Control, Rodman, M.A, Kastmar, E.K., Dorfman, H.M et al. Journal of Clincial. Clinical Psychological Science, May 2016

Breakdown in the brain network subserving moral judgment in criminal psychopathy. Pujol, J., Batalla. I., Rodriguez, O.C., et al. (2012) Journal of Affective, Social and Cognitive Nueroscience Vol 8, 917-923

Neurodevelopmental marker for limbic maldevelopment in antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy. Raine, A., Lee, L., Yang, Y., Colleti, P. British Journal of Psychiatry (2010) 197 (3) 186-192

My usual drivel.



Umpteen other studies too and I am not your librarian. I don't get personal around arguments or accuse someone else of what they might/might not be thinking/feeling. Each to their own I suppose. But let the science speak for itself - increasingly we are understanding that there is a neuro-biological basis for paedophilia/serious anti-social behaviour - often associated with early brain trauma. We don't kill victims, we try to treat them, as well as making the world as safe as we can for kids and victims.

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