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  1. Brian

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    I think things are looking positive in the Philippines...

     
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    Looking positive? I hope you are right. He says "Its going to be a bloody, dirty fight." He has asked the armed forces to 'help' while he relieves high ranking police generals of their position. This is a recipe for martial law. I don't see that as positive, but maybe the outcome will be positive, somewhere down the road.
     
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    It will be a bloody, dirty fight for Duterte, police and military. He will have to sleep with one eye open for quite a while. He is president now and could start to coast but i believe his love of country and the people are the reasons he is taking on this huge task and putting his life on the line. I wish him all the best and hope his senators support him 100% in what he wants and has to do.

    Martial law is not such a bad thing if implemented for the right reasons. lawful people have nothing to worry about, yes some might find a curfew inconvenient but its a small price to pay for eradicating corruption, crime and drugs.
    When i was a kid in Montreal martial law was declared during the f.l.q. crisis, but it was life as usual for the average joe.

    Right now the criminal element is worried. many have turned themselves in, stabbing each other in the back and killing their own. Perhaps Duterte is smarter than most people give him credit for.

    On an interesting side note, The Philippine pension is making large pension adjustments to the retired people, many are surprised to find large unannounced deposit's appear in their bank accounts. My wife's father who has been retired for about 15 years heard the rumor from friends and checked his account a few days ago and found an extra P30,000. The corruption sucks, the poor suffer while politicians and bureaucrats line their pockets. I would bet big that is the fear of Duterte behind this pension adjustment...

    Long live Duterte!!!
     
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    "Eradication"? I highly doubt that. Forcibly taking away the financial perks that come from the corruption, crime and drugs and handing them over to his supporters/enforcers? I'd be throwing my money on that on. This is not Montreal, it's the Philippines and they view corruption very differently than the West. Corruption is wide spread and it is not limited to only the wealthy/privileged class, it extends to every social and economic class. Even if we took a huge leap of faith and said Duterte is as clean as a whistle and is in no way corrupt, there is no way that he will remain that way for long. It is very likely that a good percentage (likely in the majority) of his supporters, especially the wealthier and higher ranking ones, see corruption as a perfectly normal and acceptable way to get ahead in business and government. The spoils of war will be massive and many of his supporters who are actually out there enforcing his policies are going to expect, no...demand a good chunk of those spoils. I suspect that he will give to the most loyal/high ranking/fanatic of his supports.....which would make him nothing more than a Marcos 2.0. If he doesn't go that route then he won't have enough support to accomplish a d*mn thing....making him nothing more than a Pnoy 2.0.

    There are much worse things out there than drug dealers. I'm a bit worried that we might start seeing some of them pop up and use Duterte's draconian/violent policies and diarrhea of the mouth as a cover to do some truly horrible things (and those types won't be showing up at doorsteps because a person made a conscious decision that they wanted what was being offered, and then invited them to bring it to their doorstep).
     
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    I have to agree with Wrye83. Drug dealers aren't good, but they are NOT the biggest challenge facing the Philippines. It's the massive corruption. Is Duarte willing to take on the most powerful politicians/families/clans?

    Very interesting article on the Philippines and new term called patrimonial capitalism, which was I'd never heard of.

    A tale of two economies: Exclusive growth in the Philippines

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    This is a shocking statistic in my mind. Is this capitalism or corruption at its finest??
     
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    "Eradication"? I highly doubt that."

    Yes i agree with you, crime and corruption will always exist in the human race but to a lesser degree would be a good thing.

    " This is not Montreal, it's the Philippines and they view corruption very differently"

    My point was not to compare two countries views but only to state that martial law has little impact on the average honest man, be he rich or poor.

    " Corruption is wide spread and it is not limited to only the wealthy/privileged class, it extends to every social and economic class."

    I agree, there are many rich and poor that are not corrupt but how many of the corrupt can claim no finical gain.

    "Even if we took a huge leap of faith and said Duterte is as clean as a whistle and is in no way corrupt, there is no way that he will remain that way for long. It is very likely that a good percentage (likely in the majority) of his supporters, especially the wealthier and higher ranking ones, see corruption as a perfectly normal and acceptable way to get ahead in business and government. The spoils of war will be massive and many of his supporters who are actually out there enforcing his policies are going to expect, no...demand a good chunk of those spoils. I suspect that he will give to the most loyal/high ranking/fanatic of his supports.....which would make him nothing more than a Marcos 2.0. If he doesn't go that route then he won't have enough support to accomplish a d*mn thing....making him nothing more than a Pnoy 2.0.

    There are much worse things out there than drug dealers. I'm a bit worried that we might start seeing some of them pop up and use Duterte's draconian/violent policies and diarrhea of the mouth as a cover to do some truly horrible things (and those types won't be showing up at doorsteps because a person made a conscious decision that they wanted what was being offered, and then invited them to bring it to their doorstep
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    Duterte was voted in by the people who want change that is long overdue. He deserves a chance to prove himself and time will tell the true story...
     
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    Come the end I'll only really think Duterte really wants to clean up corruption when some of these top commanders and political dynasty families start dieing suddenly. Kill all the drug dealers he wants and its not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned but those in the government at the top stealing from the people are 100x worse and if a drug dealer gets shot to death then so should those political elite. Even if he only takes out a small core group as an example but until then I'm not thinking the corruption at the top will really change much other then maybe letting a *little* more money through to the people.
     
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    It's like the US where the recovery has been a stock market recovery and unemployment is down because so many people have exhausted their unemployment benefits and are not even trying to find work so they are no longer counted.
     
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