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Discussion in 'News and Weather' started by Rye83, Oct 7, 2016.

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    But it's not really guerrilla warfare. It's terrorism for profit. Similar but not exactly the same. Or, maybe some of it is guerrilla warfare. Doesn't really matter. The AFP finds and surrounds them then there is a bunch of shooting in the air and then the AFP lets them go. That needs to stop. You don't let them go so they can do the same thing somewhere else. You don't put a bunch of them in a jail close to their friends who will come and break them out because the guards are all karaoke singing. If they take Zamboanga city, you empty it out sifting everyone who leaves and anyone trying to take off cross country your AC 130 Spectres kill them. You also put a large price on the head of all known terrorists. You need to develop some good accurate intelligence but the most important thing is you Do Not Let Them Go. Even if it costs 2-3 of yours for each of theirs, you do not let them go. Playing for keeps. Right now I'm sure it's easy to recruit because even if you are caught and mostly surrounded the AFP is going to leave you an escape path. You are as likely to be hit by a trike as you are by a bullet.
     
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    I don't see the *overwhelming force* as the losing side but the policies that go with it. If one side is playing by a different set of rules and a set of rules that ties their hands at that they end up weaker. They need to be allowed to use whatever means necassary to squash the enemy fighters. If that means bombing the crap out of the homes, neighborhoods, and towns that support such enemy force or that the enemy force uses as cover then so be it. The way they work is they go out and do attacks and then they run back home hiding behind their children, wives, and families expecting that no one will kill the *innocent* as they think. Show them otherwise that a terrorist has their entire family bombed to oblivion if they hide behind them.

    Here in the Philippines they KNOW many towns that are supporters of the terrorist *freedom fighters* and where their home bases are. Go in and wipe them out and the next group will think twice when they think their entire families lives are at real risk. But until that is allowed their hands will be tied with a playbook that ties their hands.
     
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    The problem with bombing civilian targets is you will inevitably end up killing innocent people. Killing innocent people feeds the enemy's propaganda and creates more hatred from surviving family...and then they join the fight against those that murdered their relatives. (If some group wrongly/unnecessarily killed my entire family you had better believe I would be doing everything I could to make sure those responsible were brought to justice and I would be willing to join a group, even if I didn't agree with their political/religious ideology, if I thought they could help me obtain that justice.)

    The only real way, IMO, to fight terrorism/gangs/criminals is education, economic opportunities and adequate health care (specifically mental health). Many of the foot soldier in these groups are just people that a.) fight for a paycheck to feed their family because there are few options for honest/safe work, b.) have been converted to a more fundamental version of their religion because they can't read their own religious text nor have they been taught to think critically, c.) have an undiagnosed psychological disorder that leaves their minds vulnerable to corruption or d.) a combination of any of the above.

    Those in charge of these extremist groups are not stupid and know that education and investments severely hurt their recruiting efforts. This is why they so aggressively go after schools that educate and companies that provide honest work so fiercely.

    Like almost every problem in the world, this is not something you can bomb or kill your way out of. I don't believe the vast majority of people are "good" or "evil", most believe they are fighting for a just cause. The problem is a result of complex circumstances and cannot be solved by a simple/easy solution.

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    How many times in history has this "bomb them all" approach actually worked against people fighting on their own grounds?
     
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    Worked for Hiroshima....
    But how often in history have we actually just *bombed them all* to even test it. Every time we go sending in troops and trying to play as if we are the good guys while killing the bad guys. Now you can't just *bomb them all* just like that but if its a retaliation that comes off different. If X group blew up a cafe or shopping mall and we find out where they are from then a retaliation strike of *bomb them all* will sure make the next group have second thoughts.
     
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    No it didn't, the war was basically won and over with by the time that it was dropped. The bomb was dropped just to see if all that research money had paid off.
     
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    I believe you are wrong here. There was no surrender message before the first atomic bomb. There was no surrender message after the first atomic bomb. There was no surrender message until after the second atomic bomb. Some people forget that it took two atomic bombs. Japan's ability to project force beyond the home islands may have ended but their ability and desire to resist invasion was far from over. Surrender after the second bomb wasn't even unconditional. Japan was working on biological weapons and the atomic bomb. If we just blockaded and waited a year or two, they would have come up with something.
     
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