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Discussion in 'Passports and Visas' started by Rye83, Nov 24, 2016.

  1. Rye83

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    Getting a second US passport.

    http://www.outsideonline.com/1979201/can-i-really-have-two-us-passports?amp?client=ms-android-google

    There might be a few members here on the forum that could benefit from having two passports. There are two reasons for getting one: political and logistical.

    Political: An example would be a stamp in your passport from Israel, this can cause you problems in many Muslim middle eastern countries (straight up denied entry, told to go back where you came from and possibly being blacklisted from offended country). While Israel offers you stickers you can remove from your passport, the State Department will consider giving you a second passport if you do a lot of traveling in the region.

    Logistical: If you have to turn in/mail in your passport to a country to acquire a visa but still require one for frequent travel (say you have to send your passport to a Vietnamese consulate for a visa but need to travel while waiting for it to be returned) the State Department will also consider giving you a second passport.

    Previously these passports were good for 2 years, according to the link above and also my employer, but I just received my second passport and it is good for four years. Your milage may vary on this part.

    The price is the same as a regular passport and you will need to provide a letter detailing your reasons for needing it. Passports can be obtained in a few days if you can find someone/a company to hand walk it in to the State Department for you. (I had a 2 day turn around on my second passport.)

    Just thought I'd share in case anyone might have a need for the info.
     
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    GREAT INFO!

    However, when I went to the website you posted, I got 404'd (link doesn't exist).

    ????

    I didn't know you could carry two valid US passports at the same time, but this makes sense to carry two - under certain conditions.

    Wish your web link worked for me....

    I'm sure you guys already know that as a US citizen, you can also carry a foreign passport, too - dual citizenship.

    Just so long as you don't physically renounce your US citizenship, sign papers, etc., at an Embassy - you can obtain dual citizenship in many countries (many other countries allow for dual citizenship) and carry two passports - legally.

    This issue was settled by the US Supreme Court about 30+ years ago, and it is easy in some countries to get citizenship within 3-5 years and NOT be a rich man or have to marry a local national.

    Having a second passport from another nation has it's advantages too, as you're not targeted as an American when you travel with it.

    That's what I'm planning to do shortly....

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    For me a dual citizenship could certainly raise some eyebrows and possibly result in me losing a very important requirement for my work. It might be OK and could be explained but I don't see it as worth the risk. Also, a second passport is going to be much easier to obtain than a second citizenship.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/1979201/can-i-really-have-two-us-passports

    Edit: I guess it still isn't going to work. Another is provided below.

    There is the link again. First time I edited a Google redirect link, guess I messed that up. It isn't an official source but I know it is possible.

    Here is how to go about getting a second passport:

    Required Documents

    • Complete DS-11 Application Form for New Passport or DS-82 Application Form for Passport Renewal
    • Submit a written statement with your signature stating the reason(s) you need to obtain a second passport.
    • Your current valid Passport
    • Signed Letter of Authorization – This is only required if you are using a third party expediting company.
    • Two Identical Passport Photos (Not older than (3) months)
    • Passport Fees
    Source: http://www.uspassporthelpguide.com/second-passport/
     

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    Btw, in much of Asia simply being white makes many assume you are American. I can't really think of any instance where I was required to show my passport outside of immigration, therefore I leave it at home where it is safe. If required by law to show my passport to law enforcement I will carry a photocopy. Anyone other than government employees demanding to see it is just going to have to take my word on my nationality...and I'm likely going to immediately report any person demanding to know my citizenship to my security officer or the consulate/embassy.
     
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    Surely this is supposed to be the Aim of the ARP and it's ACI card which states your Nationality, This was I thought the Idea of ALIEN Registration and the card was for Identity. :hmmm: But..................:cookie:
     
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    In my opinion there is absolutely no legitimate reason for a civilian to demand you tell them your nationality other than a bank employee for tax reasons. Given the recent travel warnings in the area it would be a cold day in hell before a told a hotel/resort employee my nationality.
     
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    About the only time I can remember when a violent incident occurred was during an aircraft hijacking. The perps went around at gunpoint demanding passenger passports, and killed a US Servicemember. I think that's when Servicemembers were then told to fly in civilian clothing.

    But the perps specifically targeted US passport holders.

    When I rec'd my new passport, they also issued me a passport card - the size of a credit card - photo and all the passport stuff on it - kinda looks like a drivers license.
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    That falls under the "illegitimate reasons" for wanting to know my nationality. :unsure: The odds of something like that happening to you is so astronomically high that it really isn't something to worry about.

    If they were flying in military uniform there was absolutely no reason to ask for their passports, it says right there on the front "US Army/Navy/etc" with a US flag on their arm. Sounds like they were targeted for simply being in the military. I think I remember that incident as well.
     
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    Before I left the States I went to Staples and made color copies of my passport reduced to credit card size. With the photo page as 'the front' and the adjoining info page as 'the back' I had it laminated and carry it with me. If I need my passport for anything (other than official government like immigration) I show my $2.30 "Passport Card". Rental company, hotel, police, etc threaten to keep it for any reason including wanting a bribe.. well frankly my dear I don't give a d*mn. As far as they know it is an official document. All the information it current, true and correct so there is no falsification to be caught. Cheap insurance.
     
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    Its been sometime since I last researched the subject but I believe I still recall properly. Per international passport agreements the only ones who can require to show your passport are immigration officials and in some countries/circumstances to federal officials. Local police and other such law enforcement and business's aren't allowed legally to see your passport and if they require it they can face major restrictions. However the user of the passport (remember our government owns the passport, not us) can use it as valid id if no other is available. Places can still require a valid id but just can't demand a passport only.

    Of course its enforcement is a different matter.
     
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