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BI Blacklists Australian in Dumaguete

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  1. Rye83

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    Worth noting if you are considering starting a corporation with dummy local backers (or you already have one). Honestly I don't think it was the BS corporation that got him in trouble....it was buying and/or leasing properties with screwed up titles.
     
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    As I read the article: DAILY STAR: Negros Oriental
    I see that it says:

    So it seems the thing he was found guilty of was operating a business on a tourist visa.
     
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    Yes, but so are thousands of other expats. He pissed off the wrong person.
     
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    Looks like there is a drive against illegal aliens, but the ones I know of here pay the right people so I assume like other foreigners (who appear to come from less prosperous countries) they won't have a problem...

    Immigration drive against illegal aliens starts
     
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    Isn't this how it works anywhere? Even in the U.S. someone needs to be gunning for you before you land in hot water. Usually that's straight-forward. You commit a crime and get arrested on the spot when the police get called in. You get pulled over for a minor offense and get arrested when the police discover you have a warrant. Outside of that, someone has to take the initiative to bring the drama.

    Madoff was able to pull off his high profile scam for years until he brought himself down by admitting his ponzi scheme to his sons. From the Wikipedia article...

    Bernard Madoff - Wikipedia

    "The SEC's Inspector General, Kotz, found that since 1992, there had been six investigations of Madoff by the SEC, which were botched either through incompetent staff work or by neglecting allegations of financial experts and whistle-blowers. At least some of the SEC investigators doubted whether Madoff was even trading."

    The illegal online poker industry in the U.S. ran for years untouched before someone in the government decided to go through the considerable effort to bring it down.

    To get busted, somebody has to step up to bust you. Incompetence is everywhere. If you're lucky, then your illegal adventures will fall under someone who is overworked, under-funded and generally poor at doing their job. And hopefully that person has bigger fish to fry anyways.

    We know from reporting of terrorism that we generally blow numbers out of proportion. We don't understand probabilities. Crackdowns are more for scaring people straight and scoring political points than actually fixing problems.

    From that article. They detained 16. 1200 foreigners are registered of an estimated 300,000 in the city. They were unsure of the 1200, so they have to look further into that. The foreigners they detained were working illegally. They had to release the detained because the representation from Manila couldn't arrive within the 36 hours required to move the cases forward.

    They have no resources to go after illegal aliens. They have neither the funds nor the man-power. Their systems can't even give them the information they need to assess the scope of the problem. All the Philippines can do with this issue is put up the occasional show of force, sort of like a roadblock.
     
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    Yeah, but you don't have to be related to the police or prosecutor in the US to get something done about it. You also don't need to have any money or personally file charges against a person in a criminal case.

    Good. They should be arresting immigrants working or studying in the Philippines illegally. Even though the arrests didn't lead to deportation for many of them it seems that it has severely disrupted their activities.
     
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    Yes, but it sure helps to have money in defending yourself. The difference between a well paid lawyer and a public defender could be the difference between jail and freedom.

    And if you view money as freedom (time as money) then you can still revoke that freedom by taking that money in a civil case. One interesting recent case was the one in which Hulk Hogan buried Gawker with the help of funds from Peter Thiel, a billionaire with his own agenda. The case was a huge burden for Nick Denton in time, money and mental wear and tear.

    I get your point though. The systems do work differently. We have discussed a lot of ridiculous outcomes on this forum.
     
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    But you don't need money to report a crime and have something done about it. However, with anything in life, it certainly makes it easier.
     
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    To clarify, I suspect you mean you do not need money to report a crime, (involving a foreigner), to BI and have them do something about it.

    If you are talking about crimes by filipinos against foreigners, such as home robberies and stolen motorcycles, you often need money to get anything done and even then its unlikely anything will be done, at least such were my experiences.
     
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    Sorry. I was talking about the US above. "You don't need money to report a crime in the US." was what I was getting at. By contrast, and as you stated above, you usually do need money to do so in the Philippines. You will probably need some money/influence to get a foreigner in trouble with the BI as well in the Philippines.

    Of course, your level of guilt in the Philippines will completely depend on how much money you are capable of/willing to throw at a defense/judge. Which kinda works the same in the US (example: OJ Simpson) but there is still a chance that money won't be able to save your @ss (examples).
     
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