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Discussion in 'News and Weather' started by Rye83, Oct 29, 2017.

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    Criminalize something with severe penalties like death and the results are as expected. Risk goes up to the seller and so does price, because some sellers get out of the business. Commonsense 101.

    What I'd be interested in knowing and probably never will, is what percent of the innocent people where the collateral damage in this campaign. The issue in my mind is not stiff penalties for drugs or the campaign on drugs, it was the suspension of due process.
     
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    Reminds me of something my father used to say when I was a kid and he punished me. (He was a cop).

    He said: "There are no innocent people. If you really did not do what you are getting punished for then think back on all the times you did something wrong and I did not catch you. You are getting punished for those time."
     
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    Using that logic, I guess we should all be in jail. :wink:
     
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    I reckon the damage sustained by victims of drug related crime isn't counted as "harm to others" in those statistics, unless they get injured physically as a result. I imagine if drug-related theft alone was taken into account that graph would look a lot different.
     
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    Probably not. All the fights, spousal abuse, robberies/theft, muggings, etc related to/caused by alcohol is going to be much higher with alcohol simply because it is much easier to obtain. Alcohol related deaths are more than all illicit drugs combined.

    I don't agree that it would be any different when theft is added to the chart above. Alcohol is the most dangerous drug out there. Sorry if it is your drug of choice. But probably like you are with alcohol, the vast majority of drug users use socially/responsibly. Only a minority of users will become addicted to any given drug (about 20% of people who use any given drug, including alcohol, become addicts).
     
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    That statement is incorrect. My apologies. Can't post correct info because my phone is being a pain.
     
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    We agree that any addiction is bad, alcohol and smoking not excepted. We also agree about the fights and partner-abuse thing being a regular consequence of alcohol abuse. With robberies/theft/mugging we part ways. My thinking is that the expense of an addiction is a far more reliable predictor of that sort of crime. So exactly because tobacco and alcohol are relatively cheap and easy to obtain, people are not likely to go out stealing to be able to afford those.
     
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    A day's worth of alcohol costs about the same as a day's worth of shabu for addicts.

    Edit: if you are drinking beer. Tanduay is pretty hard to compete with price wise...but you aren't going to be alive long if you are drinking a bottle of that every day. You do get more bang for the buck with shabu. 1 gram of shabu will last an addict 4-5 days. Depending on the price you get it at (1300-2000 is probably reasonable) that can be cheaper than alcohol.
     
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    This raises an interesting point. If I kill 50 innocent people, but because crime goes down and I save a 100 innocent people was the decision a good decision. If 100 innocent people are killed, but 1000 thefts are avoided. Is this a good strategy? How many thefts does a killing rate?

    PNP: Crime rate down, but murder rate up

    Philippines: Abusive ‘Drug War’ Targets Children

    Manila cops kill 25 in overnight drug raids
     
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    That reminds me of the debate that still goes on about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Did it save more lives to kill off a couple cities? War is hell and such is the war on drugs.
     
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