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  1. Jens K

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    do you have a source / link for those numbers?
     
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    Yeah, that's an absurd amount of vitamin c.
     
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    You can pretty easily do a google search and find tons of information. We're not interested in minimum daily requirement, we want the dose that produces effective immune system enhancement. The maximum you could take without risking problems is 4000 for D and 10,000 for C (per day). Here is a good Joe Rogan discussion on the topic with some interesting information:
     
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    It is counterproductive NOW to continue lockdowns in SOME areas. It was not counterproductive when first introduced nationwide.

    Without lockdowns many areas would have lost control.

    In fact, it seems the government did a good job at the start but now some things continue without sense (partly as they are damaging the economy and people's health) - including keeping all those 60+ locked in, ban on alcohol, no lotto.
     
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    How about Linus Pauling ?
    Pauling suggested in the early 1970s that the optimum daily intake may be about 2,000 milligrams of vitamin C and that everyone should get at least 200 to 250 mg/day. In a 1974 radio interview, he noted that "the first 250 mg is more important than any later 250 mg.Jan 27, 2004
    Nobel Prize winner and he said 2 grams ... So not so absurd afterall
     
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    Not really, as you see in the post above Pauling recommended 2000 mg daily. My normal dose, since almost forever, has been 1000 mg/day (500 with breakfast, 500 with lunch). But during these covid days for the past months I have been doubling that temporarily for extra immune boost. If you are actually sick, like fighting off a bad cold, they recommend 6000 mg per day. Let me say as a caveat, nobody should start a high dose vitamin regimen without checking with their doctor first.
     
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    2 grams is the upper limit, not the recommended daily intake, and most likely is not needed for the average person. Going above 2 grams per day can have side effects for many. A bit of an appeal to authority as well. Science, especially nutritional science, has came a long way since the 70s.

    Taking excessive amounts of vitamin c also increases the rate at which your body metabolises it (it also absorbs less efficiently at higher dose). So if you decide to stop megadosing or you find yourself in a situation where you can no longer megadose your body will not be able to maintain the proper levels at normal intake.

    That is definitely not what I am reading. Looks like 65-90mg per day is what most people need.
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-...-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030
    Vitamin c supplements are largely a massive waste of money as you will just p*ss out the vast majority of it.

    As for that 6 grams during colds. I couldn't find a study that recommended that. Do you have a source?
     
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    That isn't the minimum, that is the recommended.

    10k sounds downright irresponsible and dangerous. Can you provide a legitimate source for this? (Note: Joe Rogan is absolutely NOT a legitimate source. An entertaining one, sure, but definitely not reliable or legitimate. Especially when it comes to supplements since he owns Onnit Labs and makes massive profits off of overpriced vitamins and stacks.)
     
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    I have recently seen a peer-reviewed recommendation for at least 1000 IU per day supplement Vitamin D (from MIMS, but I did not save the reference). In my amateur's opinion, getting enough sunshine, as we do in this climate, obviates that need.
     
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    Since you guys are interested in Vitamine C (Ascorbic Acid) i can advise you to look into the differences between Ascorbic Acid (chemical) and Vitamine C complex (natural).

    Looks like it is quiet a waste to take high doses of Ascorbic Acid alone, or even harmfull.
    It is the whole Vitamine C Complex you need, and this you will get from natural vitamine C and not chemically made Ascorbic Acid.

    There is a lot of information about this available online, this sums it up a bit:

    "http://www.birdsleychiro.com/Handouts/Supplements_NaturalC_Or_AscorbicAcid.html"

    Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) or Natural C Complex

    Attention! New research has shown that high doses of Vitamin C in the form of ascorbic acid can be harmful. The studies showed that over 500 mg of ascorbic acid per day caused the muscle layer inside the arteries to thicken thus narrowing the inside diameter of the arteries causing reduced blood flow.

    Years ago, when Vitamin C was discovered, ascorbic acid was the only component of the complex identified; therefore, ascorbic acid was named Vitamin C. Since then, other components of the complex have been found. Unfortunately, the definition of Vitamin C didn’t change. Ascorbic acid is the only thing that can be called Vitamin C. The other parts of the complex are P, K, and J factors, and tyrosinase (organic copper). P factors help strengthen blood vessels thus preventing bruising and bleeding gums. K factors help with blood coagulation, and J factors help with the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. An analogy can be made between taking Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) and eating an egg. If you take Vitamin C as ascorbic acid only, it is like you are eating the eating the eggshell of the egg and not the egg. Ascorbic acid is the antioxidant part of the C complex that protects the other valuable components from being oxidized. In order to make Vitamin C complete, you need all the components, not just ascorbic acid.

    I did a search on the internet on ascorbic acid and found that most of the ascorbic acid in the world is manufactured by two companies, BASF and Roche. They make it from corn sugar. Through a series of chemical reactions, they produce ascorbic acid and then sell it to vitamin companies. The vitamin companies then put ascorbic acid into their supplements and call it “Vitamin C.”

    Since learning the harmful effects of ascorbic acid, the manufacturing process and the difference between “Vitamin C” vs. the natural C complex, I quit taking “Vitamin C” in the ascorbic acid form. Instead, I supplement my diet with products that have all the components of the natural C complex. I no longer recommend “Vitamin C” in the ascorbic acid form to anyone. Come in to the office and I can show you the difference.



    If you have any questions, please call or email me at gbirdsley@msn.com.

    Dr. Galen

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