For one, I honestly don't get why people bring up visitor visa in a thread that's clearly not about visiting but about traveling there to stay.
Overstaying on a visitor visa is never a good plan, the person would end up being "illegal alien", not have access to social security, and get exploited in an underpaid "informal economy" job. Well, that sort of employment can easily be found right here in the Philippines.
Yes, historically the USA has pardoned/legalized some of these "illegal aliens", but to base a decision for your future on very uncertain prospects of that happening again and benefiting you seems not logical even from a pinoy perspective. I don't think poverty in the Philippines quite equals the despair of some south/middle Americans trying to walk their way to the USA.

Another thing is that to me at least the USA seems to have lost a lot of its traditional appeal. I heartily agree with the other member who suggested Canada as an alternative.

 

Although I support your proposal of Canada as an alternative route for illegal immigration (tongue in cheek lol), illegals who want to work in the US usually can and in doing so not only vastly improve their standards of living but they send money home and support their families there as well. Historically, if they could make it to US soil, they could find a way to stay for several years and even a lifetime. They definitely do get free medical care and if they have kids, the kids get free schooling. Most don’t come in for the freebies like medical care they can’t get back home, or food stamps etc., they come to make money.

People can argue that this should be OK since they work hard (very true) and usually become fine members of society, however, there are only so many jobs and due to the lower pay they are willing to accept, they crowd out low income US citizens and increase poverty. They burden local school systems and welfare programs. Actually many of the richer employers prefer having them around due to their good work ethic and lower pay requirements. But their disruption of society and the social systems is great on the poorer segments of US society.

Coming in illegally is grossly unfair to people from other countries who wait in line and try to come in legally.

Illegal immigrant activists seem to have the opinion that anybody who wishes to come to the US should be allowed to do so, as if it were a human right. Many in the US find that attitude to be the height of arrogance.

And there are also the bad elements that sneak over the US border as well but that is not the majority. Some smuggle drugs and children. They almost all come for economic reasons, money. It us almost never for true political asylum as if once was for Cubans or Vietnamese after the war.

If it were as bad for them in the US as you contemplate, they would simply go back...but they don’t; in fact more try to come in as they see there illegal friends and relative send money home with stories about his great they have it in the US.

There are plenty of Philippine overstayers in the US. They don’t want to come back here. They make a LOT more money in the US (even when balancing the higher costs to live there) and have better housing and opportunity even as lawn cutters and domestic helpers.

In the Phils a poor person can die of starvation or illness if they cannot afford medical care but in the US, for those who can manage to get in illegally, nobody starves or is denied medical care (unless you are a middle class US citizen ...a different discussion). Uncertain prospects? Sure, but better than no prospects at all. In our household we do not support illegal immigration to the US but fully support the legal route. It seems unfair to my wife that her sisters could not come in as visitors while illegals from countries bordering the US just needed to wait until the River was low and walk right in and even if caught on US soil, be allowed to stay AND WORK until a court hearing for which they simply never show up.

Recently a lot of that has changed and that is s good thing for the poorer citizens in the US and in certain localities near the border whose social systems are severely overburdened.


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I totally disagree with that assertion. Casual employment in the Philippines is extremely difficult to find. I can walk into downtown Dumaguete and inside of a few minutes I can find dozens of people who can't find any sort of work doing any sort of thing. legal or not.

Additionally, how can you possibly compare the compensation rate for employment in the US versus the Philippines? It is incrediby absurd to not see why people seek out illegal alien status in the US over abject poverty in the Philippines. An under-the-radar job in New York as a restaurant dishwasher can support a family of 10 in the Philippines (as well as the illegal dishwasher in New York.)

Although there is no access to Social Security, the laws in the US allow free health care by use of hospital emergency rooms and access to public school, no questions asked.

 

Due to cultural matters in this country and mainly in larger centers or City's you will find a lot of out of work people..That mainly stems from more family to live off of and share with. I have hired local gardeners , waitress's and cooks who seem to last for one payday and then don't show up again..Presently i have very reliable and hard working staff from Tayasan, Mabinay, and Dipolog.. They have all been here for a year and i pay the same as a local, but i treat them well and little things like a birthday cake and some ice cream goes a long way here to keeping staff.

 

Same in the UK - we send boats out to bring them in. So, come in via a legal Visa (months of waiting and thousands of pounds in costs) or have no Visa and get helped in, given cash and other benefits, no legal fees to be paid. Why is legality always so much more difficult than illegality - does it have to be that way?

 

Therein lies the challenge.