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Wow look at the numbers, covid makes it more save?

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by Dutchjob, Aug 25, 2020.

  1. hiddenuser

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    hopefully we can all agree that this avatar has some real star potential and needs its (her?) own name. surely we can think of something. surely? shirley!!!!
     
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  2. eskirvin

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    Hello again everyone. I've now experienced COVID responses in 3 countries (Philippines, UAE, Kuwait). In all three places, once lockdowns and other measures are relaxed, numbers rise. Here in Kuwait, they are predicting a "Second, deadlier wave of COVID-19" around October. I ask you, why are lockdowns happening if after they are ended, the numbers go up? Why do most of you not see infection as inevitable? What will happen to this virus to save you?

    My older brother's ex-wife cuts hair on a military installation in the US. Their measures are rather draconian as military members are a captive audience with modified rights. The very first day my brother's ex-wife was allowed to cut hair, she was infected with COVID-19. She took it home to her 17 year old son. Her 17 year old son took it to his father's home, infecting his father and his father's new significant other.

    In all 4 cases, the worst thing that happened was they all completely lost their sense of smell and sense of taste. Each experienced mild flu type symptoms, stayed at home as required, and went back to school and work afterwards. All 4 cases. My brother isn't well off financially and now had to postpone working on his coursework for PA. His SO was just fine as she is employed as an RN. His ex-wife was let go/fired/whatever you want to call not having a job any longer. His son is now two weeks further behind on his school work, which has always been a problem for him.

    In 3 of the 4 cases, their lives are worse off, not due to the disease, but their goverment's and employer's means of dealing with it. How long do you believe people should stay in their cells? Why do you find that option tenable? Do you perhaps lack the empathy you accuse others of lacking?
     
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    Thank you for such a well thought-out post! It gives us all good reasons to pause and think.


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  4. Notmyrealname

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    Your posting will split the Forum as there are many who approve of certain control methods, some who hate them. This is obvious from every new posting on the subject. But, as a believer in control of Covid-19 (there being no preventative medicines currently), this is my response:

    Then why are dams built if once they are removed, areas flood?

    Infection is not inevitable for the majority, as things stand at the current time. That may change but a vaccine/antiviral medications/weakening of the virus, would prevent that outcome.

    What will happen to save the majority of us is what I wrote in the paragraph above plus the sensible use of lockdowns and other methods.

    They were lucky - probably they had no co-morbitities and may be of a younger age. But look at the figures and you will see that almost one million people had a greater outcome - they died. And many millions suffered more than only a loss of smell and taste. If anyone can predict with 99% accuracy, in advance, which infected persons will go on to develop only a mild illness then they should get the Nobel Prize.

    I am out and about - only been in a "cell" (of my choosing) for a few weeks. I acknowledge the economic factors (and that some lockdowns were unnecessary or too draconian) but there was no real alternative.

    And are you suggesting that people who believe in some controls have no empathy? It is easy to argue the opposite case - the divide is primarily between preventative control (agreed with mostly by older people and ill people) and avoidance of economic disruption (agreed with mostly by young, fit people). "Empathy" can be used as a defence in both cases.
     
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  5. SkipJack

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    What you fail to realize is that it was not the governments controls that caused the impact to the 3 impacted people.

    The 3 people you reference were impacted by their employer or school. Not the government!

    These events you describe would have happened to many more people if the government did not put in place resistance to the spread of infection. More people would have been infected and laid off or not allowed to go to school.

    You fail to realize that these impacts are a result of getting infected. Fewer infections equals fewer impacts. Government controls reduce infections. Therefore, financial impacts of getting infected are reduced by reducing the number of people who get infected.

    Furthermore, there is no basis for your claim that infection is inevitable.

    You ended your post with a question so I will end mine with one.

    Have you been reading about the 93 vaccines in development?
     
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    NO, I have not. I would like to, references please.
     
  7. Philpots

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    So almost 200,000 deaths in the USA is not happening? Think again!
     
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    Welcome to the internet.

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  9. SkipJack

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    Here on the Internet, there is much news about vaccines for coronavirus.

    You can go to the Google search page and search for "coronavirus vaccine" and you will see numerous articles and videos regarding vaccines for coronavirus. You can search for other things too!

    Here is my favorite vaccine tracking website. It is updated regularly. It shows that there are 93 vaccines in development:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

    Some of these vaccines go beyond just the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19. This coronavirus is offically known as SARS-CoV-2. Other coronaviruses cause the common cold. Some vaccines in development target the entire coronavirus family. Soon, we may rid the planet of the common cold.
     
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    In the past few months several news stories have surfaced stating that the covid death totals have been inflated. The news has been from both liberal and conservative sources so it can't be blamed on general politics.
     
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