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Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by eskirvin, Oct 31, 2020.

  1. Liverpool fan

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    More than 200 persons in Denmark get infected with the mutation covid 19 from mink but it's under control according to authorities. The biggest problem is that the vaccine being developed, don't work on the mutated virus. All 17 million mink in Denmark will be killed it's already started, even healthy mink where there is no virus in the area get killed, there are different points of view on that, not all farmers find it fair. I guess most of you know the covid 19 situation is out of control in Europe, many countries have been too late with restrictions, it changes now, travel restrictions like in the Philippines, restaurants get closed, in Denmark no more than 10 people are allowed together, etc.
     
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    Have they tested a vaccine on this mutation? If so which vaccine was tested?
     
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    As I understand it, many countries try to develop a vaccine against covid 19, I just pass information from the news in Denmark, when I write it's a problem with the vaccine that is under development, does not take into account the new version from mink
     
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    So we don't know for certain if a vaccine would or would not work on this specific mutation?
     
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    From 2 days ago:
    <snip>Mutations in coronavirus have triggered culls of all 17 million farmed mink in Denmark.

    Part of the country has been put under lockdown after Danish authorities found genetic changes they say might undermine the effectiveness of future Covid-19 vaccines.

    More than 200 people have been infected with mink-related coronavirus.

    And the UK has imposed an immediate ban on all visitors from Denmark amid concerns about the new strain.<snip>
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54842643
     
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    Of course not.
    What do you expect. Miracles? This is something obviously only now being discovered and it must be a worry. From your tone I think you are disbelieving what is put before you, not just questioning. If this virus mutates it is likely that the vaccine may not be effective. Give them chance to find out. These things take time and loads of testing IMO!
     
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    The problem I saw with the post was that a definitive statement was made when I found it very unlikely that any such definitive claim was made.
    Do you see the difference in the statements? Do you understand why it matters? One statement is something scientists should take into consideration when developing new/updated vaccine and when politicians make policy/fund research. The other is just wrong.

    I don't think a mutation makes it "likely" for a vaccine to stop working. I think it matters where the mutation occurs in the genome and what that specific mutation does. A mutation may have no effect on how a vaccine works, it may make a vaccine a little less effective, it may make a vaccine completely useless...or anything in-between. Spreading incorrect or misleading information can cause panic and fear to spread when there is no need for it.

    I wasn't the one making any claims. This is exactly why I was asking questions about the claim being made.

    Speaking of "tones"...:meh:
     
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    No, because no vaccine has been tested and released yet. Authorities say they have inhibited this particular mutation from mink. I doubt very much we can be sure on this, there is a wild stock of mink in nature, escaped from mink farms, and some animal welfare organizations have broken into farms and let thousands of mink out in nature, there are wild mink in nature, not only in Denmark but in all Europe
     
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    I think there may sometimes be confusion when English is not a member's first language - having read the posts extra carefully I think that @Liverpool fan may have been asking a 'What if?' when he wrote "The biggest problem is that the vaccine being developed, don't work on the mutated virus." I think perhaps he meant "The biggest problem is what if the vaccine now being produced does not work on the the mutated virus?"

    I can see how easily this can happen and I am not faulting anyone's response. The truth is still, of course, that we don't know if any vaccine will work on any future mutations. The only clue so far is
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54867653

    "The coronavirus mutation causing concern in Denmark has arisen before in mink, scientists have revealed. The mutated virus has been detected retrospectively in mink at a farm in the Netherlands, but it did not spread to humans, said a leading Dutch expert.

    There are fears the mutated virus could undermine vaccine development.

    The genetic change is in a part of the virus known as the spike protein [the part which allows the virus to attach to the host cell], which is important in immunity, and a target for future vaccines and treatments."

    ..... Prof James Wood, head of the department of veterinary medicine at the University of Cambridge, UK [said] "The genetic changes needed careful evaluation, as reports from Denmark suggested an effect on immunity."
     
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    Thanks. I think that goes along with what I posted. I fail to understand why people have to fly to the opposite view when all we are trying to do is let people know where the risks may be and the problems that could arise from this Virus. Burying ones head in the sand in the hope that all the bad news is wrong is fine as long as the rest of the world does not follow sit otherwise things will get worse just as has happened in the USA where ignorance of the true effects of this, although now quite well understood, are completely ignored with the result they now lead the world in everything including the bad effects of this virus.
     
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