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  1. NowandThen

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    36 countries administering booster doses of Covid vaccine. This was October 2021. But of course the IATF Philippines with its top experts does not yet allow it. And when does this ridiculous debate about the face shields end? I don't know any country in the world where these are still mandatory or ever were.



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    How many times have you seen when locals get criticized they get all but hurt,, the debate over face shields and boosters is taking the normal time here as no one will make a decision,, thats why all the task forces, IATF etc..
     
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    This sounds like a bunch of scientific jargon to justify fear. I hope you aren't holed up somewhere and not getting out. Keep your spirits up.
     
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    The mix n match studies the Phils are doing aren't out yet, plus we're low on fully vaxxed.
     
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    Right, it is because our immune systems had never encountered the virus before. It takes our body time to find the cure. Our immune system has the cure for every virus that has ever been or ever will be. Note: I'm not saying that is enough to prevent us from dying from viral infections, just that it has the required tools.

    Vaccines introduces our immune system to these new threats so that it can find the cure before an actual infection occurs, creating memory cells allowing for a faster response time and antibody production. This is why almost everyone that is dying from covid is unvaccinated. Their immune system isn't prepared to deal with this new virus in time.

    My questions are: do low, or an absence of, antibody levels (in those that have been vaccinated or infected) correlate to higher death rates? Is our immune system not capable of mounting a response and producing antibodies quick enough? Have their been studies on this? If so then why is our immune system incapable of mounting a sufficient response to this specific virus? We know that these vaccines work in the short term, we need to find out about the mid and long term. Continuously giving boosters to keep antibodies artificially high doesn't tell us anything about how our immune system will mount a response. There needs to be studies. Maybe there are some being conducted now to answer these questions. Mandating or recommending boosters, IMO, seems to be premature.

    Also: Do we maintain high levels of small pox, hepatitis, measles, etc antibodies months/years/decades after vaccination or do they also wane in time? If they do wane (and I suspect they do) why is it that they are still effective at preventing disease? If they don't wane over time why is that?
     
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    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
     
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    Toto DI Senior Member

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    You have it backwards Rye, you inform yourself first, then form an opinion. The CDC has recommended boosters for adults. The lists vary.
     
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    Do the these researchers need to inform themselves as well?

    Why are you refusing to acknowledge there is more to immunity than antibodies and that every other vaccine has waning antibody levels months/years/decades later?

    Please link a study that shows waning antibody levels leads to an increase in severe illness and death. I am honestly interested in knowing. I'm not concerned with what is being recommended, I am interested in WHY it is being recommended.
     
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    Exactly. Do you not realize that Twitter video explains the difference between antibodies and cellular immunity? Antibodies stop the virus before it infects the cell, cellular immunity is everything after it infects the cell. Your post explains exactly what I'm talking about. Try understanding what you are posting.
     
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