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  1. RR_biker

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    I am wondering if a foreigner passed away, not married, and on that specific day/date with or without a live-in partner, do LGU (Local government units), hospital, doctor or undertaker inform all banks in Dumaguete about this decease?
    There are quite a number of banks here, never counted but maybe up to 20 or even more.
    Why I am asking, in the absence of a last will, in my opinion specially with a live-in partner can be very complicated. The house is rented and I suppose nobody is really interested in the furniture and things like that.
    So is it still possible for the live-in partner to use the debit cards of the bank accounts of the decease since I gave her the pin code to get cash from the Atm or impossible as accounts are blocked by the bank based on information received from third parties!
     
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    Done a bit of investigation into this stuff as I have developed skin cancer 8 years ago and had 3 melanomas removed (all but 1 in Australia). Using a well known attorney here the advice is really two-fold. a) Give your non wife SO authority to take hold of the body from presumably a hospital (so she can get it buried or cremated or whatever your wishes are). The hospitals wont release the body without authority from the executor unless it is your wife or you have give written authority. b) your SO tells the bank nothing of your demise. I have a joint account with mine and been told that the way to go is simply say nothing.
     
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    I am thinking that in the absence of close family ties (through marriage or otherwise) a last will is almost unavoidable, even if your not bothered by the idea that a third grade cousin might inherit your estate, if only to avoid the issues that you mentioned. And in case of a live-in partner, she will definitely loose out against that third grade cousin without a last will.
     
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    I am not even sure if a live-in partner will do very well in the inheritance of her partner's Estate, but certainly a Will may help.

    An article that explains much of this is:

    https://www.respicio.ph/commentarie...tner-rights-and-succession-in-the-philippines

    Some points from this article (I wrote this at 3 am. so excuse any errors!):
    In the Philippines, the legal landscape surrounding the rights of non-spousal partner presents unique challenges, particularly in matters of inheritance. [Read more of this if a business is involved]. Unlike married couples, non-spousal partners do not enjoy the automatic protections afforded by marital laws.

    [But in most cases – and especially those concerning members of this Forum - one partner will be a foreigner and may have his own children and/or other bequests to be made (may even have a Will in the Philippines and another in his home country and /or an International Will). I make the point later asking if he can leave property he does not own (part of the lot on which he may have built a house) to anyone and if his partner can then own all that lot (even though, as you will see, if not married, she can own only the half (?) of the house she contributed to in the purchase - she cannot own any by inheritance). Thus, would a non-spousal partner own all the lot and only half the house (IF she had contributed to its purchase)? I seems that the complexities shown below can be even greater].

    Legal Framework Governing Cohabitation
    • Cohabitation Without Impediment: This applies when both partners are capacitated to marry each other (i.e., single, of legal age, and without other disqualifications). Properties acquired during cohabitation through their work, industry, or joint efforts are presumed to be co-owned in equal shares, akin to a conjugal partnership. This includes wages, salaries, and properties bought with joint funds. Exclusive properties (those owned before cohabitation or acquired by gratuitous title) [i.e. “gratuitous title” means property given without any payment] remain separate. Upon the death of one partner, the surviving partner retains ownership of their half-share [but ONLY a HALF share!], while the deceased's share passes to their heirs.

    • Cohabitation With Impediment: This governs situations where at least one partner is legally barred from marrying (e.g., one is already married or underaged). Here, co-ownership is not presumed; it must be proven through evidence of actual joint contribution (monetary, property, or industry). The share is proportional to each partner's contribution. Properties without such proof belong solely to the contributing partner. In the event of death, the survivor can only claim their proven share [Note: This means documentation, as I read elsewhere "In many jurisdictions, gratuitous transfers are governed by specific laws regarding donations. For example, in the Philippines, such transfers must be documented properly to be valid."], with the rest forming part of the deceased's estate.
    Thus, cohabitation does not equate to marriage for property purposes.

    Inheritance Rights of Live-In Partners
    Inheritance in the Philippines means that a non-spousal partner does not qualify as a compulsory heir or surviving spouse under intestate [i.e. without a valid Will] succession rules. Compulsory heirs include legitimate children and their descendants, legitimate parents and their ascendants, illegitimate children, and the surviving spouse. Non-spousal partners fall outside this hierarchy, meaning they have no automatic right to inherit from the deceased's estate.

    Intestate Succession
    This is where the deceased dies without a Will (intestate). In such cases, the estate is distributed as follows:
    • Legitimate children and [their] descendants inherit the entire free portion after legitime [The legitime, also known as a forced share or legal right share, of a decedent's estate is that portion of the estate from which they cannot disinherit their children, or their parents, without sufficient legal cause. The legitime is usually a statutory fraction of the decedent's gross estate and passes as joint property to the decedent's next-of-kin in equal undivided shares. Thus, I interpret that "Legitimate children and descendants inherit the entire free portion after legitime" means they get their compulsory share AND then everything that's left over as well! That's because there was no Will leaving the free part to anyone else. I assume the issue of the free part is the same in the alternative inheritors listed below].
    • In the absence of children, parents or [their] ascendants inherit.
    • Illegitimate children (if acknowledged) receive half the share of legitimate children.
    • Collateral relatives (e.g., siblings) inherit only if no ascendants or descendants exist.
    • The state takes possession of the Estate if no heirs are found.
    A non-spousal partner receives nothing under intestate rules unless they can claim co-owned property [as described above under "Cohabitation without/with impediment]. For instance, if a house was jointly purchased, the survivor owns half outright, and the deceased's half goes to heirs, potentially requiring partition or sale. [This is where foreign ownership of half the house would be an issue and the fact that foreigners cannot own the land the house is built on - so could they leave it to their NON-FILIPINO heirs (this could be a greater problem if they come from a country that also has compulsory heirs!)?].

    Testate Succession
    Inheritance via a valid Will is termed Testate Succession. The deceased can bequeath portions of the estate to the live-in partner, but this is subject to the legitime [the reserved, or FORCED, portion for compulsory heirs] as the legitime has to be satisfied first. This forced share typically constitutes half the estate for children or parents. The free portion (the remainder) can be freely disposed of, allowing bequests to non-heirs like non-spousal partners. [I have read elsewhere in the past, but not able to remember where, that 1/2 goes to children, 1/4 to spouse and 1/4 is free and can be bequested by a Will - so I get confused by the different divisions of an Estate that I read about in various articles. This may be due to the fact that this article is about non-spousal partners, who inherit nothing of the forced share (so their 1/4 share joins the 1/4 share I have read of to form a 1/2 free portion). One thing for sure: No-one can rely on anyone following whatever we think IS the case and I am sure in many cases legal battles may ensue. In respect of another issue, not inheritance, I am aware of, I can foresee a lawyer here (not all, hopefully!) refusing to write a Will that includes non-family members as the person paying to have that Will written will be told everything HAS to be left to family - and you can argue the point with as much reference to the written law as you can manage and they will continue to dispute it. YES, I have been told that in another matter!].

    Challenges may arise:
    • Disinheritance: Compulsory heirs cannot be disinherited except for specific grounds, such as with attempted murder* or abandonment. [*I would have thought that actual murder would also be a valid case for disinheritance!].
    • Preterition: Omitting a compulsory heir ANNULS the will as to the legitime.
    • Inofficious Donations: Excessive bequests to the live-in partner may be reduced if they impinge on legitime. [From another article: "A donation is considered inofficious when it is too large or too generous, thereby reducing the legitime available to forced heirs. For example, if a parent donates a substantial asset to one child, and this donation diminishes the inheritance of other children, it may be classified as inofficious. When a donation is deemed inofficious, it can be challenged in court, and the excess portion of the donation may be reduced to ensure that the legitime of the forced heirs is respected. This means that the donor may need to adjust the donation or compensate the other heirs to restore their rightful shares" [This is covered further later on]. "Donors should be cautious when making gifts, especially if they have multiple heirs. It is advisable to consult legal experts to ensure that their donations do not inadvertently violate the rights of their heirs"].
    Non-spousal partners can inherit via a Will but not beyond the free portion [i.e. that part after the forced part is awarded to the rightful heirs]. If the Will is contested, the non-spousal partner must prove its validity in probate court.

    Rights to Support and Other Entitlements

    While not actually inheritance, a non-spousal partner may claim:
    • Support for Common Children: Illegitimate children [which all those in a non-spousal partnership would be] are entitled to support from the deceased's estate which takes precedence over other claims.
    • Moral Damages: In rare cases, if cohabitation was akin to marriage and terminated by death, courts may award damages, though this is not standard.
    • No Survivor's Pension: Unlike widows/widowers, non-spousal partners are ineligible for GSIS/SSS survivor's benefits unless designated as beneficiaries in policies.
    Special Considerations and Jurisprudence
    • Common Children: Acknowledged illegitimate children inherit half the legitime of legitimate children. The non-spousal partner, as parent, may administer the child's share until majority.
    • Donations During Lifetime: Inter vivos donations [gifts made during lifetime] to the non-spousal partner are valid but may be revoked if ingratitude is proven [In legal documents, ingratitude can be a significant factor in disputes. For example, if a person has received financial assistance from a family member or a friend and then acts ungratefully, it can strain relationships and lead to legal action. This might happen if the giver feels that their generosity has been taken for granted. In such cases, the emotional aspect of ingratitude can sometimes influence legal decisions, especially in family law or inheritance disputes] or if they exceed the donor's capacity [I am not sure how this is measured - that the donor took out loans to increase his capacity to make a donation??? There is a rule in UK law that restricts some gifts to that part of a person’s income which they would not reasonably require for living expenses].
    Conclusion
    The rights of a non-spousal partner to a deceased's inheritance are confined to co-ownership claims under the Family Code, with no automatic succession rights akin to those of a spouse. To safeguard interests, partners should execute wills, formalize business agreements, and document contributions. Legal consultation is advisable to navigate probate, taxes, and potential disputes. This framework balances protection for informal unions while upholding the primacy of legitimate family ties, reflecting the conservative underpinnings of Philippine civil law.

    [Although this may be subject to legal disputes, IMO a good case is made for an older spouse to ensure that all properties (including bank accounts) are only in his spouse's or non-spousal partner's name - thus when the older spouse deceases there will be no inheritance disputes (hopefully!). This is of course complicated if there are children from other relationships and whether or not the properties were gifts and thus investigations into taxes due or if the amounts exceed the "donor's capacity". It is more FUN (I mean COMPLICATED) in the Philippines].

    [I would be happy to hear of anyone's experiences in actual cases (involving relatives or friends) or their understanding of the laws if they have read about the subject or consulted lawyers in the country. I wrote to a well-known YouTube lawyer to ask for a meeting to discuss inheritance BUT the email was never replied to! No surprise there. So some of the complications I believe exist may in fact not. I can go only by what I read and the possible interpretations of it.].
     
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    I don't know about Joint Accounts in banks here but in the UK they can be written (if done with the correct terminology) such that it becomes the property of the surviving spouse.

    But I am sure that in most countries, if a surving spouse withdraws money from her deceased partner's SOLE account after death (the time of which would be officially noted and it would be expected that the survising spouse was aware) then that would not be legal.

    The article I wrote here about inheritance and compulsory heirs would almost certainly indicate that withdrawal of cash after death would affect compulsory inheritance rights and could lead to legal disputes.
     
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    @Notmyrealname
    Thanks for all your effort explaining the laws for us.

    My father hired the Investment part of his bank to execute his will. The Bank has an entire department to do that function. In Canada there are a lot of legal hurdles to jump to settle an estate. With the slow pace of legal system here I imagine settling an estate can be a daunting task.

    Does anyone know of a lawyer or financial institution that will act as the executor of a will?
     
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    Your errors are excused, we all make them, myself not excluded.
    However, you quote a whole bunch of information about Philippine law on succession, which does not apply in the case of a deceased person who doesn't hold a Philippine passport (see also my earlier post in this thread here).

    See the literal text of the Philippine Civil Code below

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    The very same website where you found your information explains:

    "For a foreigner who dies with movable property (cash, deposits, vehicles, shares, crypto, jewelry, etc.) the substantive rules of succession are governed by the decedent’s national law, not Philippine law—even if the death occurred in the Philippines and the movables are physically or legally situated here.
    This follows the Civil Code’s nationality principle for succession (Art. 16, 2nd par.), reinforced by the rule on capacity to succeed (Art. 1039). In other words, questions like who the heirs are, compulsory shares/legitimes, who can be disinherited, and the intrinsic validity of testamentary provisions are answered by the law of the decedent’s nationality."
     
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    I conclude, therefore, I must stop reading long legal articles at 3 a.m. and then writing about what I read, in part, incorrectly!

    But foreigners do need to be cautious here - whatever the law says. I read of a case where a foreigner took his very ill Filipina wife to hospital in Cebu City, where she died. He returned home to find the house occupied by his wife's family, who refused to move out - he died two years into fighting a very stressful case to regain possession (of whatever he was entitled to?).
     
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    Should he has rented a place, it shouldn't has happened. I could add more comments and opinions, but counted till ten!
     
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