POOR PINAY vs DIRTHY JOE ??

Not sure how it is in other countries, but to Sweden you don't even have to be married to get a residence ship. So, just to skip the wedding in the Philippines and do it abroad.

 

This is typical of pinoy pride and a politician pandering to her base by going after the low-hanging fruit: evil foreigners exploiting innocent pinays.

I don't doubt that there are scumbag foreigners looking for a filipina to marry, but what about the scamming filipinas? What if other countries required a certificate of "good moral character" before their residents could marry a pinay? What about the millions of loser filipino men who's monthly salary is probably the same as the daily salary of the foreigner?

 

I'd like to put my two-cents worth in too on this particular subject as I have a major problem with the generalization of Filipina's in this thread (and quite a few other threads too) and an apparent lack of understanding why this certificate or police clearance is neccesary for future foreign husbands of Filipina's.
First: Filipina's are no different from females in other parts of this world, be it from another so-called third world country of from the 'civilized' west: there are good ones and there are bad ones. You have golddiggers here same as you have them in the USA, UK, continental Europe, etc., etc. Problem is that quite a few of the foreign men coming here to find their bride are 'out of the game' in their home country because they are looking for a young, green leaf which is incompatible with their age, looks or other problems in their country of origin (I have also seen the documentary programs about the Russian brides for western men and they apply to the same type of males, so the 'problem' is not limited to this country or South-East Asia). Obviously the girls are very aware of this situation (or made aware by family and friends), so they try to sell the 'goods' for as good a price as they can. Free market, guys!
Second: I cannot see anything wrong with the requirement for a foreigner that intends to marry a Filipina to present a certificate of good conduct or police clearance from the authorities in his native country. Anyone with a record that reflects wife- or child abuse,
drugs, violent crimes or equivalent will not get such a document and is thus not able to marry a Filipina. Prevention is the name of the game here.
Third: If a foreigner intends to marry a Filipina in his home country, she will have to get a entry visa and the foreigner involved will have his credentials checked by the authorities in his country before the Embassy involved is given the green light to stamp the Filipina's passport allowing her entry. If the foreigner is known to have a rap sheet it will be extremely hard if not impossible to get the entry visa for his spouse-to-be. Furthermore, if the request for an entry visa reflects the intend to marry the Filipina (otherwise she will only be granted a tourist visa), she will have to attend a number of (quite expensive) courses locally, AND not fail the exam that will follow, otherwise the Embassy will still not grant the entry visa. These courses include a rudimentary knowledge of the language, culture and burocracy of the foreigner's country. The last portion applies to The Netherlands for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if other (European) countries would have similar requirements. Automatic residence visa are no longer the norm, even when the couple gets married.
Vicmico

P.S.: In case you didn't know already: I am married to a Filipina for over 25 years now and although we had our ups and downs, I wouldn't trade her for anything in this world. When we were just married, I asked her what would be expected of me financially as I had also heard these horror stories. Her response was that I had married HER and that was it. During the years that followed we have supported her brother paying for his 3 sons to go to a good school (all 3 finished Don Bosco and have jobs), we repaired / renovated the family home, and we paid for the move of another brother and his family from slums to a decent house and paid his rent for some time untill he made enough to support his family on his own. After that my wife told me we would terminate all further financial support because we 'had done enough'. So, it can also be the foreigner that is the sap and his wife the toughie....

 

While I agree with most of your post, I fail to see much if any generalization regarding Filipinas in this thread?

Larry

 

Does this mean that if the background check does not come back pure as the driven snow that the licence will not be granted by the state? If you can't marry whom you want, you are a S L A V E. The right to marry whom you choose is not the same as immigration, someone from the US could marry someone on death row in another country, the state department will decide who they let in but the US government does not tell you who you can marry. If the state can tell you whom you may not marry, it's not unbelievable that they could tell you who you must marry.

As for the prior comments about background check for 13a or immigration to another country, those are visa matters, not marriage. You need not live in your home country, although it may be desirable. You need not get a 13a, you could balikbayan yearly, at least the wife would be assured of at least one trip a year.

 

Yes, perhaps she is trying that.
If interested look up 'Gwendolyn Garcia" on Wikipeda. Look at her political carrier and pay attention to;
her actor connection to Estrada. Former president, jail bird and now Manila mayor.
her kicking out Eduardo Habin and the fact that Jesse Robredo's plane ( he spoke out her 6 month suspension) crashed after a take off from Cebu.

 

Wry, I am not comfortable with the generalization because I happen to have different (and apparently unique, gauging from the comments above and elsewhere in this and other fora) experiences with Pinay and Pinoy. I don't know whether you are following any documentary programs about human trafficking (even CNN has recently covered that issue extensively), but it seems that Governments didn't do anything or at least act insufficiently to curb this situation. Now they are, and all of a sudden it's a problem for the foreigners? If you have nothing to hide and have proper intentions, there should not be any problem - as a matter of fact, you should welcome any and all intiatives to eradicate the inhumane actions by some.
I have not sensed any hatred (growing or latent) towards foreigners in general or myself in particular, but I also am very careful what environment I venture into. No, I do not go out to establishments like Why Not because I know (not in the least by reading some of the posts in this forum about this subject) what I can be confronted with. I will only visit establishments my asawa and I can both enjoy without being hassled. I can understand that some foreign men DO visit these places because they have a pre-set goal in mind, but these men should realize that they become targets at the same time. Not hatred, but simply greed.
Funny, while I was typing my first comment, my wife was reading it over my shoulder and apart from correcting me on some typos never had any adverse comments.......

Vicmico

 

Maybe it is you who is generalizing now. Not all that go into whynot are prosties or wh*re mongers, I have been there several times with my asawa for the disco - billiards and karaoke