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  1. TheDude

    TheDude DI Forum Patron Highly Rated Poster

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    This is ridiculous. We know in the U.S. that a middle class is important for a strong economy. In the Philippines, the expats or solid middle class at least. We don't burden the system with the need for social programs. We consume high end products that Filipino's are just getting started with. The money we spend comes from outside the Philippines. These are all wins for the Philippines.

    There are other economies here which don't interact much with our own economies though. The locals living in the mountains wouldn't miss us and we don't miss them. Trike drivers could even be part of that except that I'm sure they look forward to the occasional nice payment they get when ripping off tourists. I pay them double what my helper pays to get to my place just to be nice and not have to negotiate. They STILL want more money. I just do the same thing they do to me when they don't like what I offer, I don't say anything and keep walking.

    Tourism and retirees will always be a big part of the economy here. Let's see how the economy does over say... the next few years when the relentless pace of technological change wipes out their BPO industry. I think that's a loaded gun pointed right at the Philippines. They need to figure out how to move up the value chain. Otherwise the rest of the world will be saying the same thing to the Philippines. That is, the Philippines is a fly on a...
     
  2. Larry_H

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    In 2012, the U.S. State Department estimated that there were over 300,000 U.S. citizens living in the Philippines.American settlement in the Philippines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Even if all of them live on U.S. Social Security and provide no jobs or other revenue streams, that is still approximately 215,784,000,000 PHP that is contributed to the economy of the Philippines. This is just Americans...How many other nationalities? How much more money does that contribute? I dare speculate that there are more folks from other countries than there are from America. What about tourists money? Just when will the powers that steal realize that without our money(the flies), their economy(the carabao) will die. So, Americans are contributing 2% of the GDP (10,568,400,000,000) of this country without doing anything more than spending their retirement. This is not a YEA for Americans post. This is just a small amount of the information that is out there that illustrates what foreigners (all foreigners - residents and tourists) do for this country. My best guess would be that foreigners provide approximately 7 - 9% of their GDP/Balance of Payments. So why do they treat us the way they do and why do we put up with it? And, if we stop putting up with it, will their behavior and attitudes change or will their economy head a bit deeper into the toilet than it already is? Do you even care? Are you so apathic about your own financial well-being or level of respect you receive as a guest that contributes to their wealth that you are willing to be sh*t on every chance they get?
     
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    Perhaps the BID is now searching for the 270,000 overstaying Americans ..

    Foreign citizens in Phl reach nearly 200,000 | Breaking News, Other Sections, Home | philstar.com

    MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) - There are about 200,000 foreign citizens living in the Philippines, the National Statistics Office (NSO) said Monday.

    Based on the 2010 Census of Population and Housing, the number of foreign citizens in the country was 177,368 as of May 2010, the census office said.

    "They (foreign citizens) comprised 0.2 percent of the total household population," it said.

    Next to the United States (29,959 persons), China has the second largest foreign citizens in the country totaling 28,750, NSO said.

    Japan came in third with 11,583 persons, followed by India with 8,963 people, it added.
     
  4. Larry_H

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    During the 2010 Census of Population and Housing, the rocket scientists that they had doing the surveys counted my in-laws home and family three times. According to the records ( my FIL checked), there are 31 people living in his home. He was shocked at how cheaply it was to feed them all and he wonders where they all go everyday...He's never seen them!

    I would certainly trust the U.S. State departments numbers as being MUCH more accurate than the BID's numbers. My thoughts are that the BID only includes those with a resident permit in their numbers. How many foreigners are living in the Phils on tourist visas of one type of another? I would also imagine that a Filipino US citizen living in the Phils would not be counted as a "foreigner" although they are probably retired and spending their retirement in the Phils and receive their retirement from the same sources as "foreigners".

    I also think that the BID doesn't have a clue who is here and that is why the push now for the new forms and updates about foreigners info.
     
  5. Larry_H

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    Philippines

    There are an estimated four million Americans of Philippine ancestry in the United States, and more than 300,000 U.S. citizens in the Philippines. An estimated 600,000 Americans visit the Philippines each year.

    http://www.visitmyphilippines.com/images/ads/213d01b36f178176144f4cf3abe93b34.pdf

    3,917,454 foreigners entered the Philippines with a tourist visa in 2011.

    How many stayed? How much money do all these people spend in this "more fun in the Philippines" messed up country?

    The main point is this...WE are a contribution to their economy, their employment, their livelyhoods. WE had a choice of where to live. WE chose the Philippines. We can easily UN-choose it. The Philippine government should treat those who obey their laws and provide for their economy with a little more respect and a little more convenience in how WE have to deal with them. Not asking for special treatment... just fair, equal, and reasonable treatment.

    Tell me how much to pay each year, tell me where to pay it, acknowledge that I did pay it (official receipt), only make me do it once a year and then leave me alone to enjoy my life as I pour money into their economy. I think that is reasonable, fair and as long as all foreigners from any country should do the same, then that is also equal. No one should have to visit 4 different offices to get the paperwork needed to get a visa (13a, SRRV, etc.). It doesn't take a rocket scientist(good thing since there are none) to create a computer system that is tied into all the information needed to decide to issue a visa or not. It should be able to be done at one place, one appointment and be done!

    3rd world country or not, these people have their heads up their asses and their hands in our pockets and that won't change until WE change it. But again, as was discussed in another thread, the idea that the foreigners in this country would ever project a united front on any issue is an impossible goal. So here we are, wishing it would change, but no one willing to do anything to change it.

    Wish in one hand, sh*t in the other..see which gets full first...and then go pay the man at window #7.
     
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    One way or another, anywhere else it's about the same, just different backgrounds, if you intend to stick your nose out and start ranting about your host country you should think twice...
    There are some old wounds still not fully healed and well educated Filipinos know about that past and that are the ones that make the rules we have to follow...
    You write that it would be easy for us to leave the Philippines for a better place, I think not, where would one want to go considering that almost all of us are married to Filipinas and our money is tide up in property...

    "The US military’s first appearance in the Philippines came in the form of a navy squadron commanded by Commodore George Dewey, who sailed into Manila harbor on May 1, 1898 and within hours sank the entire Pacific fleet of Spain, which had ruled the territory as a colony for the previous 300 years.
    Brought back from exile aboard Dewey’s warship was Emilio Aguinaldo, the leader of a nationalist movement that had been fighting to end Spanish colonialism for three years before the US armada arrived. US forces were able to take Manila only because it was surrounded on land by these independence fighters. Washington posed as their ally and the liberator of the Philippines just long enough to secure control of a territory it coveted as a market, a source of cheap labor and raw materials, and a base for the projection of US power in the Pacific, particularly toward China.
    It then turned savagely against the Filipinos and signed a treaty with Spain paying it $20 million for a land the Spanish no longer controlled. The Filipinos, who had proclaimed an independent republic, the first to be formed in Asia as the result of an anti-colonial rebellion, were excluded from these negotiations.
    What followed was the imposition of a US colonial regime and over a decade of bloody counterinsurgency operations that would claim at least several hundred thousand Filipino lives. In 1901, Gen. Franklin Bell, who commanded US forces in Luzon, the island group that included Manila and roughly half the country’s population, told the*New York Times*that there alone some 600,000 had been killed in military operations or died from disease.
    As another American general put it, “It may be necessary to kill half the Filipinos in order that the remaining half of the population may be advanced to a higher plane of life than their present semi-barbarous state affords.”
    Mark Twain, the most prominent and passionate opponent of the US war in the Philippines, defied the “support our troops” rhetoric of the day, denouncing the US military for massacres that left “not even a baby alive to cry for its dead mother.” The celebrated American author referred to US occupation forces as “Christian butchers” and “uniformed assassins.”"
     
  7. Larry_H

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    I wasn't there. It's not my fault. There are no Filipinos alive that suffered under that rule. Time for them to get over it. I won't pay for the sins of others. I expect to treated with respect, not have my time or money wasted. I will tolerate nothing less than that. I don't have a lot of connections or influence, but what I do have, I'll use for or against them, depending on how I'm treated.
     
  8. ChMacQueen

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    I'm betting the Philippines is only counting those with permanent residency in their count and not counting the hundreds of thousands who have been living for any number of years on tourist visa's exiting every year or so. There is FAR more then 200k foreigners living in the Philippines. I'd expect at least that many in the Manila region.

    I ruffled some feathers last time I said it but I'll say it again as its true. Every peso the average expat spends is worth 10x+ of every peso the local spends. The reason is the locals money IS local money which just keeps the country at the same wealth level after its spent as it was before. But every peso an expat sends is worth far more as that's foreign money (generally) that with every peso spent is a peso added to the countries wealth from some other countries wealth. When the government realizes and and then sets policies and laws to encourage, promote, and protect expats and foreigners the Philippines will really start to grow.
     
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    ... haha funny old man, you better forget about the Philippines...

    suggestion to new owner, add a "pink bubble" or "dream on" section on this board
     
  10. Larry_H

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    Not funny...very simple....treat other people with respect and they treat you with respect...if they don't...shut them out of your world. And yes, that can even be done with government officials (even if in the Phils) if you have the will and enough respect for yourself to not allow anyone to walk all over you. Been doing it for years (even in the Phils).:dnr:
     
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