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Discussion in 'News and Weather' started by Oz-Roger, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. Oz-Roger

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    Maybe this tragedy together with similarities to Air France, will motivate new training for Pilots on aircraft "stalling" procedures among all airlines ?:cool:

    AirAsia jet s alarms screaming before crash: investigator - The West Australian

    And it has been reported, because the Air Asia flight on that Sunday, did not have a permit for that route on that day, any insurance claim by the airline will be declined.........a big loss to the Airline if so.......this may affect the lifespan of the "cheap fare" airline moving forward perhaps ?:confused:
     
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    They gambled and lost. They will pay up for rolling the dice on this one for sure.
     
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    Are there any Pilots as members here? Perhaps they can explain why, apparently, Pilots don't seem to be trained to fly by the seat of their pants any more, and rely totally on instruments, which is fine, until the instruments malfunction. :thumbsdown: Maybe there needs to be a compulsory refresher course for all Pilots, in a Sopwith Came, enabling them to handle the Engine stall, and the Aircraft stall, which are too very different things :cool: Then when competent in that they can progress to a Jet Trainer aircraft for the same lessons.:wink:
     
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    That is the concerning part Roger , budget airlines=shortcuts=risk
    I have a brother who is an avionics technician , his training was military
    But even since he has been in the private sector , the upskilling is constant
    Even travelling to the US to complete certain levels of training , you wonder
    how ethical and regimental some of the budget carriers are in regards to
    proper training and continuing skills requirements.
     
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    It was reported that the Captain was in fact an ex-military Pilot so he would most certainly have had both Stall training. How much Refresher courses he had or his 1st officer for that matter only the Malasian CAA would be able to tell.
    I was going to give a more detailed and longer answer based n the opening Question But I do need to get my mind in Gear and do some Soul searching first, maybe Tomorrow :happy:

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    At the end of the day the Captain is in sole charge of the ship, so if he in fact did have both "stall" training, I wonder what happened on that day ? Maybe the instruments went haywire due to the bad weather ? - if that is the case then the Captain needs to have very real "seat of the pants" ability, like the guy who landed the plane on the Hudson river - in the USA - that for sure was seat of the pants flying - :thumbsup::cool:
     
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    factor" in the AirAsia plane crash last December that killed all 162 people on board, Indonesian officials say.

    The plane's rudder control system malfunctioned four times during the flight - a fault that occurred 23 times in the preceding year, officials said.

    Their report added that the crew's response contributed to the disaster.

    The Airbus A320-200, travelling from Surabaya to Singapore, crashed into the Java Sea on 28 December 2014.

    Investigators had initially indicated that stormy weather was a major factor in the crash - however, they now say that this was not a cause.

    The new report from the National Transport Safety Committee, released after a year-long investigation, found that the soldering on a tiny electronic part in the system that controlled the rudder was cracked, causing it to send four warning signals to the pilots.

    The crew tried to fix the problem by resetting the computer system, but this disabled the autopilot. They then lost control of the plane.

    The plane then entered "a prolonged stall condition that was beyond the capability of the flight crew to recover", the report said. AirAsia crash: Faulty part 'major factor' - BBC News
     
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    It seems that, in order to correct an indicated rudder problem, the captain pulled a breaker. That disconnected the autopilot, resulting in the controls becoming more sensitive. The captain did not verbally 'take control' of the aircraft, and because the Airbus uses sidesticks, he could not see what the first officer was doing. When he tried to correct the nose up attitude the system averaged out the control inputs and the aircraft stalled. Altogether a very sorry tale of poor crew training / cockpit management.
     
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