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    It seems to me you are a responsible dog owner, so to avoid any misunderstanding and more my previous message was not intended for any accusation or else. Speaking from my own very limited experience, I only did train 2 dogs i.c. a Mallinois, the kind of dog very eager to learn coz that breed is known as rather smart. I start training as young as possible, best time early in the morning on an empty stomach. You will be surprised, @least for a Mallinois, how fast they take it up. I got my knowledge from a well known professional dog trainer in my home town and online from some books on this subject. I have no doubt @all that you can find same for your dog, though a different breed. But if you are of the opinion that the use of a prong training collar will not do any harm @all to your dog, who am I to say any possible negative about. So wish you all success needed for the final result you're looking for.
     
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    I am glad to know that I am not the only one with covid fur babies that are also anti-social. Also agree that I am not inviting Juan De La Cruz over, or hanging out at the Sari Sari just so the puppies can get some manner training.
    We have several dogs and, for noe, I am fine with everyone being terrified about coming over. This includes the hardware store that would prefer to leave materials at the gate and then wait until they leave to bring them in. Mapecon which now sends a text when they are 30 min away, and anybody on the beach that gets to close to the fenceline.
    Side note, stupid dogs make great huggers, they need love too. And a stupid dog is still brighter than 90% of the people I (we) deal with. You will be able to train it, people here just chase their tails and in 100 years have not figured out that they are not going to catch it.

    Back to fun stuff:
    Yes, eventually friends and family will come to visit and when it does, and after a week I am sure they will be acknowlaged as part of the pack. Especially if they share with the babies the crispy skin of lechon, Chooks to Go, and Sunday pancake breakfast.
     
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    Rye83 with pastrami Admin Secured Account Highly Rated Poster SC Connoisseur Veteran Army

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    My dog is not anti-social, he is hyper-social. He greets everyone as if they have been life long friends. Jumping on delivery guys motorcycles, following them out the gate, etc. Can't let him out of the house without a leash. Everyone that interacts with him warns me I need to be careful with him or he will end up getting stolen, and I agree. I don't want him to be aggressive or fearful towards other people and animals but I do want him to keep his distance or, at the very least, bring the excitement level down by 90%.
     
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    This is probably something you (and probably others reading this) would not consider - but neutering male dogs does calm them down. They especially get agitated when a female is on heat locally (how similar they are to we humans!).

    Dogs see the bike (and it's rider) as prey (btw, I am not a dog-training expert but owned them for 40 plus years) - the internet offers various suggestions to curb this behaviour (including the bike rider stopping and greeting the dog so it perceives the 'prey' in a different way). My way of training was always to give a sharp deep voice command against negative behaviour and a higher pitched 'over-the-top' congratulatory tone for positive behaviour. My recent dog came to us still pooing in the house (as she had done in her previous home) until I saw her once just starting (a piece had already been deposited on the floor!) and I stood up, full of indignation, and shouted - at which point she looked at me in terror and raced for the door, which my wife swiftly opened and then she finished the poo outside on the lawn (the dog, not my wife!). She has never pooed inside again but lets out a small bark near the door to be let out. Even with 40 years of knowing dogs I was surprised at the instant reaction. Body language from the trainer can also be very important.

    The problem with training can sometimes be different trainers within the house - not always avoidable - and unless they are training in very similar ways the dog can get confused. I think tone of voice, body language and consistency are the main points.
     
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    I'm aware but that is not an option. I just bought a female husky. Neither are going to be fixed. Also, no female dogs in the property and this behavior has been going on since he was a puppy. It isn't a hormonal thing.

    It isn't prey drive. There is no aggression, barking, teeth snaring, biting or hunting posture. He has a pretty strong prey drive with chickens, cats and bugs but not an ounce of it with other dogs or people. He takes an excited but submissive postures with other humans (lays down, leg up, tail wagging, ears back, sometimes with excited whining/whimpering or short high pitched yelps when the person is just out of reach).

    We use this as well and it works for most things but when distance from me and excitement is present he is sometimes reluctant to listen...but knows that he has done wrong once the distance has been closed and the excitement subsides.

    It also doesn't help when other people encourage the exact behavior you want to stop (like encouraging dogs to jump up and put their paws on their chest).
     
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    I did not mean to infer his current behavioural traits (many of which are just normal for dogs in the wild but less tolerable when we want a domestic pet) are due to female issues - but that can be an issue in the future. But people have their own views on castration/spraying (and it is fine that they do) and obviously some wish to breed.

    When I know something from the past it means I think I know it - and so I usually check before posting. The internet sources do list this as prey chasing - but that does not mean it has to be aggressive. My dog chases a toy we have on a fishing-rod type item and loves it - we use it as a reward for behaviour we really want to enforce. It is a game to her but, I am sure, is seen as chasing and eventually catching a prey. She shows zero aggressive signs but sees it as a delight. On the point of rewards, I know that dogs used by drug enforcement agencies get as a reward for discovering illegal drugs just a minute or so to play with a soft toy - they don't get it at any other time. Most humans would say 'P*ss off, I'm not doing that for such a brief reward' but dogs are delighted and that is part of what makes them so enchanting (a pity that women are not so easily pleased!).

    I remember a Labrador I owned stealing a long bread roll in the kitchen and then bringing it into the room where my wife and I were sitting - with his head held down in total guilt (and they do express guilt) and his cheeks pushed outwards by the roll within his mouth. He could have kept quiet! But the important thing (again as I know from before) is that our response to the dog needs to be very soon after the dog's actions or else they do not connect the two. Btw, that same Labrador also swallowed a whole frozen bag of chicken giblets - in those cases I place myself at fault for giving him access.

    That is a big problem - we meet people who do not own a dog, or have no idea about training, and they can seem to undo everything we are achieving. I wonder how much that is analogous to school kids where some behave well at school and not at home or vice-versa - perhaps the dog can distinguish the difference, but it is annoying and I tell the people that I don't allow the behaviour they are encouraging. I might lose friends but a dog is man's best friend anyway!
     
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    Recouping some of the cost of owning and possibly making a bit of profit is my goal. Huskies sell for 25-80k per pup. Will be registering a kennel when the time comes.

    I've seen prey chasing and what he does it not that. It is the same behavior as when I leave on a motorcycle...and he certainly doesn't consider my prey. It is more separation anxiety than anything else.
    I fault myself for all of his bad behaviors. His actions are a direct result of my actions or lack there of. There are worse things though. I would much rather produce an overly friendly and submissive dog than an overly aggressive and violent one.

    The local children are the worse. I want to scold them for being idiots and not listening but I don't want to deal with their equally ignorant parents.
     
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    WoW! Do they do sledging in forest trails? I have seen that in the UK but perhaps the topography would not be suitable if it is mountainous.

    Certainly he would not see you as his prey - but if you stop writing here then maybe he did. :smile:

    Separation anxiety is probably not understood by most owners - most people cannot even understand anxiety in humans. I am not trying to tell you how to suck eggs - but for those who don't know, training this out needs small steps (even if starting with disappearing for only a few minutes). Even in human psychology there are those who believe in 'flooding' (overwhelming exposure to the trigger of anxiety), but I am convinced that is a potentially dangerous process as it stands the risk of reinforcing the anxiety and not extinguishing it.
     
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    Just get one of those electric fence collars. A little shock does wonders and no damage. A little tongue and check here as I've never used one, but my brother has for multiple dogs to keep them in the yard and they work great. It does't seem to have cause any issues with his dogs.
     
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    Ours can barely go on a 2km walk here without nearly suffering from a heat stroke. They are not meant for a tropical environment.
     
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