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  1. PatO

    PatO DI Forum Luminary Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer Veteran Marines

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    My impression is the Philippines are doing all they can at this point, based on my limited knowledge and I am glad of it. Maybe we can make it through this.
     
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    There is a very clear difference between trolling and expressing a different, and sometimes unpopular, opinion. Trolls consistently take those unpopular opinions, usually state them as fact and then utilize antagonizing and provocative language to get a rise out of other members in an attempt to get them to lash out and break forum rules. Trolls contribute nothing to forums as their only goal is to stir sh*t and rarely, if ever, contribute anything useful. Most forum moderators and admins can quickly identify these types as we deal with it way too often.

    As for free speech, your definition is incorrect: you have no freedom of speech on or in privately owned property, and that could be a person's or a business' property (this includes social media and websites). Free speech means the government cannot restrict your free speech, not private entities. You think you could walk into Robinson's Mall, a Seven Eleven or someone's private property and walk up to people that aren't interested and start yelling and screaming a bunch of nonsense just to get a reaction? You would be escorted off the property in short order and possibly arrested for harassment for practicing your "free speech". The same applies to websites. You only have a right to free speech on government property...unless you are a foreigner in the Philippines, then your free speech is extremely limited. If you don't believe that then I challenge you to go down to the boulevard and partake in some political activism. Let me know how that goes.

    With that being said, this is not a debate. Your definition of what a troll is is completely irrelevant and unneeded. The forum moderators and admins here know what one is and they will remove them regardless of your opinion on it. Have a good one.
     
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  3. Notmyrealname

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    That is perfectly true. Healthy people have died after vaccination - for Covid and other diseases. And in the case of a new set of vaccines the long-term effects are totally unknown.

    So you have to balance that partially known and unknown risk against the risk of getting the disease. You have to consider your vulnerability (age, other illnesses, exposure risks) and the risk of serious illness or death from the disease if you get infected.

    No-one can answer that question for you - it is a perfectly individual decision based on your own risk assessment (and we all assess risks differently).

    There is the dimension of helping society by being part of a herd immunity - but, again, you personally have to weigh that against your own interest.

    People risk assess in many areas of life - from sports to travelling to drinking to smoking, etc. There is nothing wrong in considering every aspect and making a decision you feel comfortable with - and then changing it at any time you wish. Personal freedom.
     
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    All generalisations are wrong.
     
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  5. eskirvin

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    I agree it could be offensive to some and is needlessly so; being called stupid would be offensive to most, and is even more needless.
     
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    I have noticed in most places the social distancing enforcement a bit lacking, checkout queues are worst, i think most people maybe have a fear that if they are not 6" from the person in front that they might lose their place in the queue.
     
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  7. Notmyrealname

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    This is common to many diseases. For example, we all hear those who defend smoking (a personal choice anyway as long as not affecting others) telling us they know someone age 90 who smoked 50 a day. On that basis they say all this talk of lung and other respiratory diseases , heart disease and other cancers being caused by smoking is nonsense. In fact that one person they quote had something(s) within their body which prevented the 7000 chemical produced by smoking causing them any known illness - it is possibly certain DNA mutations in their cells. Btw, those who give such an example have no idea if the person would have lived to be 120 if a non-smoker!

    So, similarly, people who are asymptomatic for Covid-19 may be so because:
    1. They were affected by a strain less dangerous - there is more than one strain circulating. This strain could become more dominant over a period of time and help reduce the impact of the disease.
    2. The virus mutated slightly within the host they caught it from and made it less dangerous. This produces another new strain less contagious or lethal and so may again become dominant. One way to make a vaccine for some diseases is to continue to pass it through cells, such as in chicken foetuses, until it weakens. It still can produce antibodies but does not kill the vaccinated person.
    3. The asymptomatic has some genetic makeup which enables them to resist the effects of the disease, even though it entered their cells and produced an immune response.
    4. Similarly, the asymptomatic had less of an immune response - this may seem counter-intuitive but the way the body responds to a disease can be more damaging than the disease itself. @Tubacoma pointed this out a long time ago in a posting about the cytokine response. Also, I quote this piece from Wikipedia "Cytokine storms are also suspected to be the main cause of death in the 1918 "Spanish Flu" pandemic. Deaths were weighted more heavily towards people with healthy immune systems, because of their ability to produce stronger immune responses, with dramatic increases in cytokine levels"
    5. Some people are classed as 'asymptomatic' when they have a very mild infection that is not picked up by current tests. Some may even go on to produce symptoms - so those 'asymptomatics' were really 'pre-symptomatics.
    6. Very little is known about Covid-19 and a fuller answer to your question may become apparent in the future!

    But whether or not people can benefit from this (apart from the herd immunity it may help produce) depends on if it is purely genetic in a person's makeup and if that genetic makeup is producing some response which can be manufactured or induced in other people. Or there may be something experts learn that is of great use to others.
     
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  8. danbandanna

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    Radyo Bandera Sweet FM - Dumaguete #FYI
    Executive Order Follows.

    Here are new developments as per Provincial IATF collective decision effective May 20, 2020, re:

    1. Selling of liquor and other alcoholic beverages is now allowed. Drinking in public places remains strictly prohibited.

    2. Sale of the foregoing products is allowed from 9AM to 5PM only. The Local Government Units throughout the Province especially the Barangays have to strictly monitor the implementation of this measure with the assistance of the PNP and the AFP. Selling before and after this period would be dealt with accordingly.

    3. Merchandise delivery of liquor and alcoholic beverage products, and cigarettes to warehouses for "stocking", and stores for "retailing" is already allowed.

    4. Drinking Bars and Pubs are still closed. Drinking of liquor or any alcoholic beverages inside these establishments is strictly not allowed under any circumstances.

    For this purpose, the public is enjoined to properly follow the Guidelines.

    Thank you.

    BY AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNOR:

    Bimbo G. Miraflor
    Provincial Information Office
     
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  9. liannastar

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    This is spot on. Everyone wants what they don't have. But once they get that, then they don't want that either, and it just repeats and repeats until they die just after realizing they wasted their lives complaining.
     
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  10. JoyDelicacies

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    Hello All, We are now open and serving breakfast, lunch and dinner. 8.30 to 6.00. We will have a roast beef dinner this Sunday Feb 28, starting at 12.30 and serving until 6.00. 240p all inclusive. Our tender pot roast, with carrots and potatoes. Choose from roasted rosemary potatoes, mashed potatoes, corn, mushy peas, baked bbq beans. Yorkshire pudding or our dinner rolls. (or both). unli Brewed coffee, 1 Red Label tea, 1 soda, or other drink included, all for 240p, beer with meal add 55p each. Desserts are 45p additional for Lemon Meringue, Chocolate Meringue, or Carrot Cake. Scottish Shortbread Complimentary. Open every day but Wednesday. On Legarda St just past the corner of the West Balugo/Laverna Rd. We are on Google Maps as Joy Bamboo Cafe.
     
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    Last edited: Feb 25, 2021