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  1. PatO

    PatO DI Forum Luminary Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer Veteran Marines

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    Please help me understand your suggestion. Are you asking for a quality control system for our posts? And is this so you can enjoy reading DI? If so, borders on arrogance. We are not here to please you and could care less if you are critical of the postings.
    If I misinterpreted your comments, my apologies, if I am correct, why don’t you leave this forum.
     
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  2. djfinn6230

    djfinn6230 DI Senior Member

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    I read the article and I believe it was generally factual in terms of hard data presented. In terms of the commentary, I will note to non-US readers that America is actually a union of 50 sovereign states that choose to grant their federal government certain rights and responsibilities, for example, conducting foreign policy, to issue a national currency, military defense, a postal service, enforcement of certain federal laws, border controls and a few more misc items such as radio spectrum and setting up agencies like the FDA and CDC.

    Any right not specifically so-granted remains in the power of the States.

    The power to respond to weather catastrophes, civil disturbances and pandemics was never delegated to our federal government.

    Be that as it may, the federal government does have agencies in place to assist in these emergencies. In my opinion the US federal government did rise well to the occasion by encouraging the manufacturing of ventilators, so many that we export them to countries in EU and other places that need them. It has taken other steps to nationalize drug and PPE manufacturing to greatly lessen dependence on foreign counties to have these when we need them. It has even assisted in the construction of special hospital facilities in certain hard-hit states and even commission navy hospital ships to assist the governors who for reasons beyond my understanding did not use them. Much federal assistance was available and done but not all was accepted.

    But the operational and logistic responsibilities lies with the State governments alone.

    The rest of the world, not knowing this, will naturally, in the present time, place the “blame” on the federal government as the supreme decision making authority responsible for 200K deaths + from covid which in the case of the US includes deaths that may include co-morbidities as being simply “covid”. That is how we do it and a deep dive into that rabbit hole (the CDC 6% figure) will serve no one.

    What we have is 50 governors who each implemented their own plans, some doing a great job, others doing not so great. As the article states, history will be the judge and the further we go out in time, current political opinions begin to vanish and the facts (such as the one I just mentioned) come into light by more accurate historians. I am comfortable with that. Certain USA governors may not be.

    It is not (or certainly should not be) a political or partisan US issue. The author was correct in stating history will be the final judge but he may be surprised as to what the final judgement may be after he remembers from his civics class 101 how the US federal government is actually structured.


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  3. hiddenuser

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    duterte will address the nation monday the 17th. he states the country does not have any money left to continue to strict quarentine in manila and surrounds. so logical to expect some easing of the rules in that area at least.

    also the latest philstar report is that 2115 filipiinos have died of covid. i think its correct that around 600,000 filipinos die each year from all causes. there would be no human civilization at all if we always reacted to every threat as we have to covid. a strong economy is the first defense against any and all threats that a nation faces.
     
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  4. Show Pony

    Show Pony DI Forum Patron Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer

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    Most people would agree that something is better than nothing.
    If you go back and look at the Meme. It says the surgical type mask is:

    This is the mind control device part of a pandemic PSYOP

    Some of us take the precautions in place seriously. Calling the mask part of a PSYOP is offensive.
     
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  5. Rye83

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    I see it a lot on Facebook from people I know (luckily not family). It seems to mainly be an American thing, comes from the " but muh freedum!" crowd and almost always extreme Trump supporters. They act like spoiled children that have never been told "no" in their life and cannot tolerate anyone telling them they should do anything, no matter how solid or helpful that advice is. Just yesterday I saw a conversation where they were calling for a civil war due to private companies mandating masks and/or vaccines. They straight up said they are willing to die for their beliefs on this. (Something the vaccine almost certainly wouldn't do to them.)
     
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  6. Mark K

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    Well, if I had kids I was home schooling, I wouldn't waste money on a specific home schooling curriculum like Charlotte Mason, but instead would create my own tailored to the child's strengths/ weaknesses, likes/ dislikes, and personality.

    It's actually easier than you might think, although a little time consuming.

    First I would find out what is covered in that subject/ year in the government national curriculum. For example, if you chose the British curriculum, all the information can be found here:

    https://www.gov.uk/education/school-curriculum

    Then I was use one of a number of websites that are full of worksheets/ ideas/ projects/ lesson plans/ activities/ interactive exercises/ assessments, specifically choosing ones that would interest my child. The key is to make the lesson interesting so the child wants to listen, interact, and learn. I wouldn't (and never) use textbooks, as they are usually boring and I don't believe following a textbook is teaching. Any muppet can do that!

    A couple of excellent sites for this are:

    https://sharemylesson.com/
    https://www.twinkl.com/

    Hope this helps.
     
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  7. SkipJack

    SkipJack DI Senior Member

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    Like learning anything, learning how to do quarantine takes practice. Not as much practice as it takes to learn Bisaya but some practice nonetheless.

    Filipinos can be proud that the Philippine government is doing a better job at this than most other countries. Nearby, Taiwan shows the world that a community well trained in how to do quarantine can easily cope with the coronavirus. Meanwhile other more affluent countries are failing at this horribly.

    So Filipinos need a little practice in how to do quarantine.

    The local situation is worse than we know. Currently, with very little testing, there are two confirmed cases in the local hospitals. We know statistically that only 20% of cases need hospitalization and another 20% who do not feel any symptoms leaving 60% who feel sick. Therefore, there should be another 6 infected people that feel sick and 2 others who feel healthy but are contagious and are walking around among us.

    Time is of the essence! Because number of infections can grow exponentially very quickly, we need to learn how to do quarantine in advance of the outbreak. In other countries the number of contagious people can easily double every three days. In two weeks (approx 15 days) There will be 5 doubling. 8 people becomes 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 + 128 + 256.

    448 contagious people is too many for the health department to do contact tracing and the system becomes out of control. (448 contagious + 56 recovered)

    This is why, we as a community, need to learn how to do quarantine well. Consider this first quarantine as practice and insurance. Like a military that does war games to hone their skills and discover their weaknesses we need to do germ games to practice our ability to do quarantine.

    As residents of Negros we have no choice but to stay healthy. When the virus flares up around the world there will be no one who will send us medical equipment to treat the sick.

    Let's hope we are not to late and as a community, we pull together to learn how to do quarantine well.

    Internationally speaking economics and the strength of currencies is relative to the strength of each countries economy. If Filipinos learn to do quarantine as well as the Taiwanese, they will be rewarded with a prosperous economy. Considering how things are going in the US and Europe, in two years Filipinos may be using US dollars as toilet paper.
     
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  8. danbandanna

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    Why bother quarantining the over 60 as no other country does this as far as I know Those rules mentioned above will not be followed and the virus will just be brought back to the quarantined .... so the theory that we would fill up the ICU beds (such as they are) will happen anyway. I will cease following the quarantine rules and take my chances so yes open up the economy and lets dance :smile:
     
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  9. Rye83

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    Never underestimate the level of entitlement many of these types have. They get to pick and choose which rules they should follow.
     
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  10. Milowood

    Milowood DI Junior Member Veteran Army

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    Got my second dose of Sinovac here in Alfonso, Cavite today. All residents, foreigners and expats treated the same, professional and friendly staff. I saw zero signs of xenophobia. The Filipino difference was that we were scheduled at various times through the day up till 5pm. When I arrived at my appointment time of 1:30 I was the last one to get the shot. Everyone else had turned up at the 8am start and waited.
     
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