OK. So I've now been riding my motorbike over 12 months / 20,000+km here searching for "The Top Spot" to retire in. All over all the major and medium islands. Even 3 months around magnificent Mindanao. I had thought I'd found it in Dgt/Valencia until the Iloilo ferry docked in Palawan. (Do NOT take that ferry! Trust me.)
Back in the states during two years of online research, I always knew Dgt would be the place I'd end my ride and hang my hat. PPC "Puerto" seemed too much like Alaska to be considered. Remote, isolated, impractical. But after over two weeks exploring the island and city I must say I'm pleasantly surprised and might reconsider my top pick. The entire island is awesome and since its the least densly populated province in the Philippines its easy to get away from the crowds. I had no idea it was such an international tourist destination, a boom unleashed the last few years by travel rags such as CNN traveler, Conde Nast, etc.. Heres some comparisons in no particular order;
Both DGT & PPC are provincial capitals. Similar size 150-250k people. Both have huge mountains just behind them with cool little motorbike/bicycle roads. Ppc's roads are far less crowded out of town. Both a 1+- hour flite from Manila. PPC = tagalog, DGT = Visayan. DGT 7 colleges, PPC 2?. DGT a small mall with another coming. PPC a larger Robinsons with a big SM coming. Dgt has better food choices. Ppc has an international airport thats being enlarged, with direct flites to Korea, Japan, Taiwan, I hear. Ppc has way more hotels and way more euro-hippy tourists. Dgt has closer proximity to Cebu. Dgt has coolerish lovely Valencia, Ppc has nothing comparable up high. Both are equally close to scarey terrorist kidnappers from the south. Dgt probably has better health care. Dgt has 5000+- expats, Ppc has about 1000 or less. The expats in Ppc seem more friendly and approachable, and the girls are by far easier to meet it seems. Dgt is oversaturated with us. Ppc has so many backpacker tourists they're seldom overly chummy. Both seem to have similar living costs. Both have a looming water crisis unfolding. Province girls come to both capitals for work, as their first step into big city life. Both have equally cute baywalks along the seawall. Palawan is not volcanic so less earthquake danger. I hear its also off the typhoon belt. Palawan obviously beats all challengers for beaches and cool islands. Both have excellent diving sites relatively near.
In Puerto the gov tolerates the "business" of girlie bars/KTV/hookers much more than in Dgt. A good thing or a bad thing is up to debate, but I hate a gov telling me I cant go share a brew with the "musical assistants" (GRO's) as they're called here. There are quite a few clubs here ranging from top talent/fancy down to local dives. Dgt has the Why Not, Ppc has the Tiki. Ppc has 1 mcDo, 3 Joli's, a shakeys and others. Dgt has more and also favs such as the True Love, Tommys Tacos, Taco past Robinsons, the Pasta King, and more. Both have an immigration office. Ppc has timed street lites that usually work and that everyone usually obeys. Both are clogged with tricycles.
So, before you all beat me up, I think its a tie. I'll try Dgt/Val soon, then maybe move out here awhile later.My other top choices for livable cities here are; Malabalay Bukidnon (small but friendly and cool climate), Mati Davao del Sur (really pretty area but zero foreigner infrastructure yet) and Dapitan/Dipolog just across the big river there. My favorite small livable islands are; Biliran (go there, see it), Camiquin, Marinduque, and of course Siquijoir, tho I doubt I'd actually live on any of them. What say yee, O bretheren?
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- Thread: Beware motorcycle bag grabbers
Just happened to me a few hours ago. I was walking through Piapi at night on my way home (I was up early to grab something to eat before hitting up contacts in N. America). I felt a push from behind and my bag flew off from my shoulder. I then waved bye-bye to it at as it went away with the back-rider on the motorcycle.
Actually, a few seconds before waving bye-bye was a rush of oh-sh** inventory and an instant creation of a checklist for things to do when arriving home.
Luckily nothing was in it (I always carry my bag, even empty) which usually isn't the case. They carried off with like $8, some keys and my quickly deactivated debit card. The bag was new and cost $25. Silly me, I didn't have a back-up card, so the card is the biggest pain. I now have to coordinate WU / Xoom with people at home while I arrange something else.
Ultimately, this was probably a cheap call to take care of some stuff (have back-ups, make sure info is up to date on everything so that getting replacements is easy) and make sure to observe personal security.
Lessons...
- I should probably avoid walking at night when there isn't traffic. I hadn't been too worried about it until now, but I suppose it was only a matter of time before someone gave me problems.
- Walk facing oncoming traffic. I usually do this anyways because I get paranoid of someone swerving into the side and taking me out.
- At times, take a pedicab. I walk as a way to unwind my code brain and to get some blood moving. So, I don't want to stop completely. But it's probably good to take a pedicab outside of those cases (and maybe when I'm carrying something valuable.
- Carry only what I anticipate I'll need when I walk out the door. On a "break" walk, this should be nothing but some pocket change.
- Carry the bag with the straps going over both shoulders (as opposed to loosely hanging off one shoulder) and possibly even strapped at the waist (this bag had those straps.)
- Electronic devices need to be backed up, encrypted and setup with remote tools which may be helpful for disabling them, deleting data and tracking. I haven't looked much into some of this, but I'll be doing that now.
- Practice. Setup a random reminder which goes off maybe once a quarter which gives me a random scenario. For example, lost my wallet. Maybe lost everything in a flood. What would I do? Run through the steps as if this actually happened to make sure all systems work.
- Optional. Pull the golden cord on my privilege parachute. I could just exploit my unearned privilege in life and get a cushy tech job in an ivory tower in the heart of the empire. A place where people either work or flee leaving little room for poverty and the problems which come with that. Maybe a bad attitude on this one, but it's still an option.

- Just the opposite of the above option. Embrace it. I just paid my dip-sh** tax. That is, thieves making their living also. Lord knows that's just a drop in the ocean of money I have paid out to help others in this town. Some deserving, some not (some maybe even less deserving than these thieves.)
- Research for other tips and options.
Note: I didn't take this to the police station. Why bother? I also didn't even think to try to get any identifying info. The first thoughts to run through my head was to generate an inventory of what was in the bag.-
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Just a snippet of info to be aware of,a friend of mine had his black and gold Honda wave stolen on Sunday from the area near the public market.he said he was parked near Mercury drug store and was only gone around 15 mins.
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I disagree. I think that most of the time (which is the 18-20 hours of the day that are not rush hours) driving in Dumaguete, even in a car,. is not a problem at all. Being unemployed/retired should make traffic very easy. If someone refuses to adjust their very open schedule to avoid driving during these times of day it is kinda their own fault. All you have to do is push your meals 2 hours earlier or later and the vast majority of the traffic headaches goes away. I've driven in Manhattan, Dubai, Manila, Cebu, L.A, Atlanta and lots of other big cities and traffic is horrible in all them if you are driving during rush hour....but if you go driving off peak hours you are going to have the roads pretty much to yourself most of the time. If you are lucky enough to be able to avoid driving during the times when most people have no choice but to drive then why not do that? If someone is incapable of adjusting to their environment perhaps a move to the countryside would be a much better option. I think the choices about dealing with rush hours should be a) deal with it (if you must drive during it) b) avoid it (if you are retired and have that luxury) c) move out of the city.
I would also disagree that Dumaguete has not been improving and widening their roads. There are a lot of streets here that did not exist or were only dirt roads when I first got here. Driving through certain areas it is easy to see that they have been laying down new concrete. When I first got here making one trip up to Valencia would require you to tighten all the bolts on your motorcycle and you were lucky if you didn't blow a tire out in one of the thousands of pot holes before you got to the top. Driving up to Bias would have taken a 4x4 is it had been raining. They've greatly improved the road going south as well. Actually all roads leaving the town have been greatly improved. There are still a lot of areas that need improvement but it seems to me that they are actively taking on all the main roads. Yeah, it sucks if you live on a small side road but those are always the last to get fixed no matter what country you live in.
The roads within the city are really not all that narrow or in that bad of condition. It is a lack of driver and pedestrian discipline/education that is making the traffic here so bad during rush hours. Trikes and even nonprofessional drivers park/double park or pickup/drop-off people where ever they please. It is not only local drivers though, I see plenty of expats driving and parking like complete tw*ts as well.
To the OP: the traffic is not that bad in Dumaguete compared to where you were in Cebu and what you will experience in other cities in the Philippines. Sh*t traffic is a fact of life in the Philippines and should not be a determining factor if you are planning on living in a city. (If it is a determining factor and you must live in a city you might just want to forget about the Philippines.)
BTW: if I had to choose another city to move to in the Philippines I would probably go with Iloilo or Naga City (the one in Bohol). I really enjoyed both of those places but I would need to spend more time in each of those cities to decide if it would be a wise move.-
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Well, we are now back in Oz, well and truly permanently, and so happy to be so.
What a great Country, I really missed it. Being away increased my already good appreciation. My years in Phil were very interesting and educational to say the least, and it was good to see the other side of the coin. I achieved my goal there, and that was to find the best Filipina available, which I did, and also to learn about the Country and Culture of my wife to better enhance our relationship and Marriage. All the best to you guys who are permanent there.
Thanks to any and all on this Forum who offered information and assistance.
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This is spot on. Everyone wants what they don't have. But once they get that, then they don't want that either, and it just repeats and repeats until they die just after realizing they wasted their lives complaining.-
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- Thread: Why do expats love Dumaguete?
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Finances have nothing to do with me liking Dumaguete. I am lucky in that I am still mobile. I like Dumaguete because it offers just about everything and maybe some more than other cities do, and I can get anywhere within the City by walking for 30 minutes or less. I don't have to drive and fight traffic. I get to walk, get my exercise, see what is going on and watch people going to and fro making a living. I get to do what I want to, not what I have to. I look at the traffic, people going back and forth to work, picking up or dropping children for school, sip some wine, read some chapters of the current book, smile and think, I am one lucky person not to be doing that anymore.
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Ah, yes! There's the rub! Once it's available to the masses and the masses subscribe en masse, and performance will suffer until the digital infrastructure comes up to worldwide standards. It is possible to have screaming internet speeds with fiber even with a large subscriber base. Until I moved to Dumaguete, I never bothered checking my download speeds. Now, I feel ecstatic to get 2.0 Mbps on my Smartbro Pocket Wifi (the ONLY thing that works at my apartment in Liptong, Valencia.) For grins I check everywhere now.
Most restaurants in Duma and Valencia with a cable modem clock in at a nice +/- 5.0 Mps.
The food court on the top floor of Lee Plaza stunned me with their time-limited, but free, Wifi. I nearly fell off my chair when it clocked in at 49.3 Mbps. It expired in 30 minutes, and I tried desperately to purchase a 3-day pass to continue it, but the Philippine digital infrastructure has been particularly cruel in not allowing me to purchase through my cell phone no matter how many times I try.
Back in the US now for a little while. NYC to be exact with it's incredibly dense population (driving me crazy already) and enough wealth so that virtually everyone has a cable/fiber connection. Even with the huge subscriber base in the "neighborhood", the cable modem-to-wifi connection in the apartment is 230 Mbps! (The same cable also carries the land line phone and digital HD cable TV.) I will miss that wifi speed when I get back to Negros Oriental, but I will enjoy the pace of life and even the roosters outside my windows waking me up at 4 am.-
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Im currently in bali indonesia ,which is a developing country to the phils ,similar problems but at least the power is stable with the occasional cut ,the last one around 6 months ago for an hour so ,the voltage is rock solid less than a couple of %.
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