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  1. Kojak

    Kojak DI Forum Adept

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    I wrote about this....they put her on a list.... I even know the fast food outlet..... but this is not something new.....it is done at a lot of places in town.....a form of slavery....BUT NOBODY CARES.... they pass minimum wage laws....then ignore them.....you complain and you are out of work.... the ground crew of PAL went on strike....PAL fired them all and hired new people..... laws mean nothing unless someone enforces them..... half the problems in the Philippines could be corrected over night....just by enforcing the laws on the books.....
    I see several threads on here about improving things or solving problems..... the ONLY people who "can" solve problems or improve things....are Filipinos.....and until they decide they want it changed.....WE .... foreigners.....can not do anything....... I have and still am trying to create a JOINT organization of foreigners and Filipinos with an eye to improve and change things for BOTH of us.....improve the quality of life for ALL of us.... everybody smiles and pats me on the back BUT NOBODY STEPS UP AND JOINS.....and without Filipinos it is just a gripe session with no chance of getting anything done
     
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  2. Rye83

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    I agree, I have never heard of this 6 month no pay probationary practice outside of the fields you have mentioned here, though I have heard of nurses working in hospitals for free even after graduation just so they could get a little bit of on the job training after their schooling was finished.

    I have also heard of companies not paying social security/health insurance for the 6 month "training contract" for unskilled labor. This does not sound too uncommon for me since I worked factory jobs before in the US and this is common practice there (not giving health care for the first 60-180 days, depending on how crappy your the company was....they always paid the SS though). If I had my gf's sister/cousin/niece/family complaining about this I would be skeptical and I would verify that they were actually not getting paid before I took any action just to make sure they weren't trying to get me to dish out some cash on some completely manufactured sob story. If I was 100 percent sure that they were not being paid for their work I would plaster the business name all over the internet criticizing their crappy hiring practices....making d*mn well sure I was posting it from a US IP address.
     
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    DI falls under US law not Philippine law. The silly Philippine defamation laws do not apply to the forum itself. I don't see the posts here as intent to tarnish someone's image but more to put information out there to warn the general public of less than honorable hiring practices and to voice their opinion on the subject. However, members posting might want to take into consideration the location from where they are posting and what the repercussions of their words might be. While the forum might not fall under Philippine law, someone posting from the Philippines certainly would. If the OP or other members wants to mention the names of the businesses that will be on them. I would advise anyone thinking of calling a business out to tread carefully.

    He hasn't accused any specific business of doing anything. Nobody has said any names so nobody should feel as if they are being targeted. If there is a business that reads the forum and objects, has a different opinion/view on the subject or feels that this information is not entirely correct they can chime in any time. As far as I know this is a completely fabricated and fictional story since no real life characters have been mentioned by name. Until names are named I will continue to consider it as such.
     
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  4. TheDude

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    How is it that these people can even afford to work for six months without making money? Who has six months of living expenses saved up? I bet in the U.S. this would be like .02% of the population.

    And why would you be willing to go through this for such a crap job? Apparently there is no shortage. It's like a lottery job!

    This is just another case of the value of labor at these places dropping so much that it's approaching zero. People are willing to work for zero just for the chance of a decent paying job. If not for minimum wage, then the company would likely be more willing to pay these people something. Maybe it's the minimum wage law which needs to be changed. Get rid of it and allow the market to set the wages. Otherwise these places will continue looking for loopholes like this which screws people over.

    Otherwise, people need to quit relying on the government and these big corps as a crutch. People need to get out and learn how to hustle.
     
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    I really wouldn't expect any politician to actually show up either but I do agree that this work with no pay is a load of crap. I can see withholding certain benefits or starting them off at the minimum wage but if someone is putting in the hours you pay them, very simple. There is absolutely no need for 6 months of training to work ANY entry level job at a supermarket. It takes a couple days MAX to train someone how to stock the shelves. Their hiring practices should be, if it is not already, illegal. Of course getting a politician to give a crap is a very difficult task if it doesn't directly influence their chances on holding on to power.

    Even though the politicians won't change anything it's good to at least clog up their mail box and send them letters. Maybe, if you are really lucky, you will find one willing to do something about it. I have always gone by the motto "a squeaky wheel gets the grease".....but in the Philippines the squeaky wheel just gets ignored and then when it falls off they might change it.
     
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  6. lbriggs2002@hotmail.com

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    It really saddens me to tell this true story. My wife’s niece just 18 her name is Nan and oldest of eleven children of this dirt farmer who farms in Mabinay. This is a “one cow” family and having a cow is a matter of life or death to the family because their yearly income in less than 20,000 p. Nan applied for a job at one of the major food chains in Dumaguete and started work at no salary. You see, the food chain has a 6 month training program and the new worker sign a contract to work with no salary and then they are guaranteed access to their labor pool. They are not told that there are over 60 waiting for employment.. Nan’s father sold the family cow so Nan could purchase the required uniform and give his daughter a few pesos to get started. Nan completed the 6 month training program and has waited 2 years and to this date has never heard from the major food chain. Just this week another niece entered a 6 month training program with Western Union at no salary. Another niece entered a long term training program as a domestic helper in Singapore and is now working at no salary. We contacted the Philippine Foreign Service and told this true story and were told we had to appear in person in Manila and they would ask the perpetrators to face us in a meeting. So we ask what could we do if they do not show up and were told, “we will keep inviting them.” We even wrote two legislators and to this date, no one is interested.
     
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    sad story, but common here. sadly, it's the biggest companys owned by the richest people. clean places, cheap prices, smiling young stuff - we should think about carefully where we spend our money. it happened in history that company owners changed their policy after the enterprise balance went down. not easy, i know
     
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    What are the names of these businesses?
     
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  9. Jack Peterson

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    Write to the papers, Visit the DOLE Office, Name and Shame to me is the Only way,
    Visit the Mayor, always at CB around 12 noon, bug those that can do something.
    He brags about an Open door Policy, lets see how true that can be.

    JP :bag: :whistling:
     
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    That is very sad that young people can be exploited in this way , no wonder they see no way out of povitey. My blood boils when i read story like this.The philippino way is to cop it and dont speak up sadly things wont change untill the do
     
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