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  1. TheDude

    TheDude DI Forum Patron Highly Rated Poster

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    I can vouch for Dave Williams. This isn't a scam. He doesn't need to scam people for money. He has a f*cking castle in Dumaguete and he's a brilliant guy.

    Check this out...

    A.C. No. 6353

    He took a retired judge to court and won, representing himself in court. See the names there? Supreme court action.

    Like this guy for example.

    Artemio Panganiban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There's lots of reasons why you would want a dual citizenship. If the sh*t were to hit the fan in your birth country, then having a second citizenship could save your @ss. Personally, I don't trust the government to do anything for me and I try to be as independent from government systems as I can. A second citizenship is another tool for the box.

    Dave is too old to be wasting his time on bullshit pursuits. If he believes there is a fighting chance to pull this off, then I believe him. You would be hard pressed to find a foreigner in Dumaguete who has the experience he does in the court systems. I know of one lawyer here who has put significant time in the court systems (and he also says that the court systems here work) but he doesn't represent himself.

    300K would be a bargain. The courts here are like a second home to Dave and he knows how to pull this off on that budget. Just having Dave willing to put his time into a pursuit which would be valuable to us long timers is something that we should be willing to support. He doesn't even need for us to put up the money. I'm sure he could easily afford it himself, but pledging support is a good way to gauge what people think about this issue. Why do all this work for others when they don't want to give back?

    I'm interested and I'll be in touch. You may want to look into putting this up on some sort of crowd funding platform.
     
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  2. DavyL200

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    This thread is going nowhere! Locked.
     
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    I think the OP has shown his true colors. I seriously doubt the OP should be talking about class, glass houses comes to mind. He sounds like a beggar.

    I'm more than willing to spend cash on things that I expect to give me a good return. $600 US per year for The Law.net online law library, $350 US a year for my NDRIN subscription so I can check recorded documents online in North Dakota where my property is. $10k US for a lawyers retainer in a case. It's not that I'm unwilling to spend money when I see a good chance of a decent return on it.
     
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    A bit harsh? Maybe stupid for posting on this group, but not harsh. I been here long enough to know that a lot of old busted out American trash come here, get drunk, chases young kids, and act like jerks. No wonder many Filipinos don't like foreigners. I've meet hundreds of foreigners. Only a few ever turned out to be worth a d*mn. I don't go in bars where most foreign drunks hang out... how sickening. The group is probably right, I doubt if there is anyone on this group that would qualify for Filipino Citizenship. Sorry I posted. I will not make that mistake again! Goodbye!
     
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    "Being a citizen would allow me run for local political office"
    I believe that's incorrect. Even those legitimately holding dual citizenship under current Philippine laws must specifically renounce their foreign citizenship in order to run for office in the Philippines. And continuing to use a foreign passport, for example, would be a flag that the renunciation is invalid. But use of the foreign passport does NOT invalidate the dual citizenship itself (which I guess we already know):
    "In Maquiling v. COMELEC (2013), the Supreme Court resolved an issue involving a natural-born Filipino who became a naturalized American and who re-acquired his Filipino citizenship under RA 9225. He executed an oath of renunciation of his American citizenship but still used his US Passport, and then ran for Mayor of his town in the 2010 elections. The Supreme Court held that “the use of a foreign passport after renouncing one’s foreign citizenship is a positive and voluntary act of representation of one’s nationality and citizenship; it does not divest Filipino citizenship regained by repatriation but recants the Oath of Recantation required to qualify one to run for an elective position."
    Public office and the former dual citizen
     
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  6. TheDude

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    Which is why he said this...

    He's persistent. If you were shuffling through resumes, this one would go on the keeper pile. Who would you rather have? Someone with a 10 year history of successes and failures willing to take this on with a minimal of expenses or someone just getting started and only doing this for the money and would bolt with the first non-payment? He's willing to put skin in the game.

    You would be hard pressed to find someone with the combination of the experience, the means and the willingness to take this on. It's a great idea which would benefit many in this forum.

    But you would also be hard pressed to get foreigners to pitch in $200. I had a conversation with someone the other day who pointed out that if you asked 100 foreigners for a beer and 100 women for sex, you would likely get more sex than beer. More likely would be to find two people who would donate 150K to the cause. :wink:
     
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    The spirit of this is that you can take care of yourself and / or add to the Philippines rather than leaching off the country. Probably most long timers here meet that requirement (assuming they could continue receiving their benefits as a dual citizen).

    He's been there and got a decision in his lifetime.

    And I don't agree with this. Where there is a market, there is a way. The laws are simply one variable which goes into the calculation of making money. For example, I could have 100% ownership of my business if I incorporated here. PLDT has used all sorts of trickery to get around the foreign ownership laws.

    Is the Supreme Court afraid of Indonesian-owned PLDT and Singaporean Globe?

    The house issue isn't something I feel strongly about. The laws are just different. Even in the U.S. - do you really own your home? You'll lose it if you don't pay your property taxes.

    Citizenship for me would be about the option to cut the U.S. umbilical cord if I ever felt the need.
     
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    living in dream land or a big scam. I have lived here over 30 years and would never even consider becoming a citizen her. If you are Caucasian here you will always be considered a foreigner here. No matter what your passport says. SABOT?
     
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    Sorry, but are you are even qualified to become a naturalized citizen?
    Show me someone who has been here for legally for 10 years straight, has had a good moral character for the entire time, owns land (the property you gave your wife or is under your - partially owned - corporation's name doesn't count as yours) or has a legal business or job. I am quite sure there aren't 10 of them on this forum and you'd be hard pressed to find 10 of them in the entire country.
    ....and all of us wout be dead before it hit the Supreme court for a ruling at that price.
    As the website owner I feel that I should voice that I do not endorse or support any such case and I would recommend all members keep their P10k in their pockets. The only winner in such a case would be the lawyers IMO and I think the publicity of such a case would do much more harm than good for expats/foreigners given the current political climate and attitudes towards us.
    I'm sorry but I just don't agree. Anyone moving here under the impression/claiming that it is cheaper to live here is a fool, telling porky pies, doesn't actually own the property/house they are being permitted to live in or is renting housing that wouldn't be considered fit for humans in the West. The only real reason an American would want a citizenship in this country would be to fully own land or a business and the courts are going to see through this nonsense very quickly. Under the law an American has absolutely no right to become a citizen here (unless they have Filipino parents). The Philippines uses jus sanguinis principle for citizenship. This is why a person of Filipino decent can (fairly) easily get their citizenship. It might not seem "fair" to an American, where jus soli is also used, but the vast majority of the world does not use that principle for citizenship. The judicial system cannot alter/amend the constitution/law, they can only interpret existing law as constitutional or not.....no matter how bad you want that plot of land to be in your name.

    I'm no lawyer and some/all of the above could be wrong but I would never hand some lawyer (or anyone else) P10k pesos without some serious time spent explaining previous case law and how this could have a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting a favorable ruling.....and even then I would likely feel like I was getting scammed and keep the P10k for myself.
     
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