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  1. danbandanna

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    Aluminum is the third most common naturally-occurring element, after oxygen and silicon. It is found in plants, soil, air, and water. A breast-fed infant will naturally ingest around 7 milligrams of aluminum in her diet throughout the first six months of her life. In contrast, the standard vaccines administered over the first six months of an infant's life contain an average of just 4.4 milligrams of aluminum. Aluminum has been used safely for over six decades in vaccines, with no scientific evidence indicating otherwise.
     
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  2. Rye83

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    No they aren't.
    No it doesn't.
     
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    I don't really think anyone can say too much at present about a vaccine against the cause of Covid-19 as none has currently been proved viable. Whatever people say is just speculation.

    The matter of "repeat infections" has often been explained by unreliable testing - but, again, none of us knows for sure what is happening.

    It is true that vaccines (named because the first one, against smallpox, used a related virus - one causing cowpox - and vaccinus means 'relating to the cow') are used to give immunity before a disease is contracted. Scientists have been for many years working on 'therapeutic vaccines' to be given to people already suffering an infection, but I am not aware of any great success to date.

    So with the vaccine for the cause of Covid-19 they will be working on using part of the outer protein coat or some of the genetic material enclosed within (that is really all a virus is and why it cannot reproduce by itself) or a killed version of the virus or a weakened version. I suspect different labs will have different approaches and probably some not included in my list.

    Apart from requiring a vaccine that produces an adequate antibody response, they need to be sure it does not cause any harmful effects to the host. Also, as you stated, finding out how long the immunity lasts and whether or not repeat doses are required.
     
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    The Philippine government has approved that those in the Philippines may volunteer as subjects in Clinical Trials of Covid-19 vaccines in one of 12 Philippine approved hospitals. Phase 1 is for safety and efficacy to see if side effects make you sick and if the vaccine makes your body produce Covid-19 immunity.

    One of the Chinese pharma companies and university are from the birthplace of Covid-19, Wuhan China. It is alleged they should know more than others about its origin and how to stop it.

    Here is the Rappler article giving the details.

    WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO LOSE....OUR LIVES!

    shakey aka John
     
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    I think it's difficult to completely prove one way or another currently.

    Aluminum is added to some vaccines
    Aluminum is found in high levels in the autistic
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763

    Correlation does not prove the cause just as a the size of a study does not affect the findings however aluminum is being actively investigated to determine if it's a contributing factor in ASD. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22099159/

    I'm sure there are just as many if not more studies that show the opposite hence "it's difficult to completely prove one way or another".

    Everyone has a right to sit on one side or the other.
     
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    Do no harm. Agree that would be ethical.
    IMHO Big Pharma and Ethical in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
     
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    I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories but China is trying REALLY hard to get me to.
     
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    A vaccine is not a treatment for someone that has the virus.
    As far as I know it's function is to produce antibodies so a person's body can fight the virus.
     
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