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  1. Notmyrealname

    Notmyrealname DI Forum Luminary Highly Rated Poster Showcase Reviewer

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    There is really only one person on the entire planet who can answer that question, my friend - you.

    Whether or not to have the vaccine, and if to have it early or wait, are personal choices - barring any mandatory notices from government. No one can tell us we must have the vaccine, but I will accept them telling me I should (then still make my own decision). I see the latter 'should' advice as caring.

    Mask wearing I see as a different issue - there is very little potential harm in wearing one (unless improperly placed over the eyes :smile: ) or if a person has breathing issues (when perhaps should be staying in) and masks are well tested by now.
     
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    jim787 DI Senior Member

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    I saw Dr. Fauci answer the question. There would be no harm in taking both, but as a practical matter here in the bundok, the question is only theoretical. Better to understand what vaccine is best for your age, location, demographic. That information will come later.
     
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    I think you will find it is a vaccine like any other for a virus and that is it is particular to this particular strain. Next year it could evolve into something different and a variation of the vaccine will be required or in the case of this particular Corona , a new one will again be required. Your remark about the Chinese one lasting 24 hours is unnecessary I think although it could be reasonable to suspect that the effectiveness of that vaccine may be questionable given the standard of most products from China. IMHO.
     
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    Good point. I cannot see how there would be any interaction (in the way certain drugs interact by forming different compounds) but I would be concerned about overloading the immune system response. That is an unknown as this is such a new virus with many strange effects (e.g. long covid) and I am not sure they would take the risk of testing it on human subjects.

    Over to you my critics for a superior response - which, incidentally, I will read with interest and appreciation.
     
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    There is no way I'm getting vaccinated with any vaccine that was rushed through the studies phase. I will leave the dubious honor of becoming a "human guinea pig" to the naive and fear filled masses that exist in every generation.
     
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    A note on Polio : It has NOT been eradicated, though very heavily reduced. In 2019 there were 175 cases of wild polio and 364 cases of vaccine-derived polio (note that more cases were derived from people being vaccinated - although, obviously, there must have been even more who were saved from the disease by vaccination).

    Only two diseases have so far been eradicated, as far as we know, and they are smallpox and rinderpest (a disease of cattle).
     
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    I understand what you say also - but for me the logic works on the basis that if they have not tested for something then they have no certain knowledge of its effects (and even after testing they could be wrong as, for example, the time factor will not be there). They can say what they think will be the outcome but can never be sure until they test - that is true of even the most brilliant scientist in the World.
     
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    Most vaccines are tested for years for safety before they are made available to the public. Surely you wouldn't blame people for being weary and cautious of a vaccine that was made available only months after research was started.

    We don't even know the short term risks of these vaccines yet.

    And what if the long term risks include higher rates of cancer, heart disease or any other number of diseases that could cause suffering or many millions of premature deaths? Forcing hundreds of millions or even billions of people to get a vaccine for a disease that poses no real risk to them is absolutely insane IMO. Nobody should ever be forced or coerced to put a completely untested and rushed chemical compound (especially if it is coming from China) into their body under any circumstance and saying that their competence should be questioned for wanting the existing scientific method and government regulation and approval processes to be followed is completely hypocritical and self serving nonsense.
     
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    I know at least 3 nurses in the USA who took the vaccine and they all felt fortunate to be able to get it early. None complained of side effects. Not sure if that was mandatory as an employment condition but if it were, nobody can force anyone to get a shot but I can understand if healthcare employers want their employees to be resistant to the disease for many reasons. I would probably make it a requirement if it were up to me. In fact I would be suspicious about the technical competence of any “anti-vax” nurse or doctor if they were concerned about anything other than allergic reactions which is a common and temporary side effect for many flu vaccines.

    My only reply to that is, better the higher likely hood of temporary side effects than the albeit lower likelyhood of being dead or causing deaths in patients. Risk vs benefit. Sounds like the right choice.


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